There are individuals spinning MW2 as a 360 exclusive, in one of several of the lame arguments that have popped up here.  And, you can also add that partisans treat multi-platform titles as inferior to their system exclusives, unless they try to take ownership over it and act as if the game is an exclusive.  My point there, is you can't expect anyone who is a 360 partisan to acknowledge that KZ2 "took the technical crown from the 360", because that isn't how the game works.

Its called spec ops. Try it someday. And why do you want offline bots for deathmatch? Is it cause you don't want to pay the $50 for Live? If thats your excuse you should try finding a better job so $50 a year doesn't affect you. If its cause you don't like playing annoying kids turn the mic off. I've never understood the need for bots in deathmatch. They are predictable and boring.

@Xoj

Yes KZ2 has good graphics, but 32 vs 32 isnt amazing running on 64 playstation threes, I mean the graphics are the best on a console, havnt played UC2 yet.

But the scope of KZ2 is its small, detailed graphics, and few enemies on screen. 

CoDmw2 has Open battlefields,ok graphics and alot of enemys on screen.

As a matter of interest. Have you played KZ2 from start to finish? Because MW2 is no where near KZ2. Some parts of MW2 looks really good. But the game overall is nothing close to KZ2. MW looks really good from far away. But get up close and you can see it for what it really is.

There was a couple of points in KZ2 that had more enemies on screen than I have seen so far on MW2.

I don't want to put words in CGI's mouth, but in the context of this thread -and knowing his interest in graphics- I think it was obvious that he was speaking about graphics technology.

As for latency:

1) your math is off. If you have 70 vs 150 ms, and you add 2-3 frames for your (bad) TV, you add them to both cases so the difference is still 80ms. And actually, if you add 2 (ie about 66ms) it becomes 133 vs 213 ms. The absolute difference is the same, but the relative difference has decreased from +115% to +50%.

2) you're still talking about the latency between when you press the shoot button and when your gun shoots on the screen. This is the lamest definition of "control latency" I can imagine for games where the most important controls are those for moving and aiming. Any numbers on them? I guess not, because they're a very complicated affair.

3) once again, this "shooting latency" has nothing to do with people not liking KZ2's "heavy" controls: it's about 1/30th of a second from that of Halo 3, which people never found offensive, and better than GTAIV.

As demonstrated with a) the early patch lessening the turning inertia from the early model showed in the demo and b) the control option -dubbed "high precision aiming", I think- later offered with another patch,  all the difference is in the way GG modeled the inertia, acceleration curve, and dead zone. Even with those changes and options and taking in account the almost nonexistant aim assist in KZ2 many players never liked it, and I'm fine with it, and even called the controls "broken" or "laggy", which I'm not fine with.

Please don't join the flock and don't try to pass as if these gameplay design choices are proofs of technical faults, you would only lose credit in a serious discussion.

not it's and its 32 players and moderwarfare have only 18. for both teams.

and kz2 have at least 32 enemies at the same time, skirmish and mp.

and kz2 have huge maps too, like the desert.

few enemies on the screen? thx 4 confirming that u haven't played the game.

I could care less about the graphics. The gameplay is amazing. I'm hoping I will be able to pick this game up with the 360 on Black Friday.

I don't think you've ever played Killzone 2 multiplayer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c77KMtGMsJI

so 32 player online while still sustaining incrediable graphics over some very large battlefields isnt as good as only 18 players,not as good graphics even on the singlplayer and well i havnt seen mw2 battlefileds but thedy better be gigantic to make kz2 look small