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Darc Requiem on 02 November 2009

Hopefully Valkyria Chronicles. I own both VC and SOIV. One of them is great and one of them is the most disappointing JRPG sequel of this generation. Since VC is a new IP, I think you know which game is the disappointment.



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Acevil on 02 November 2009

You know what is sad, this might be the best selling star ocean game when the ps3 version comes out. Actually number 3 currently being the best selling might be more so disappointment.



 

Darc Requiem on 02 November 2009

@Acevil

That is pretty damned sad. Tri-Ace has been disappointing this gen. IU was okay and Star Ocean was terrible. Lymle is the most annoying JRPG character in the history of the genre.



RafaelOrix on 02 November 2009

I never played SO4, so I don't know about the game, but VC is a wonderful game (I bought it) and I really wish more people would buy it.



frictionini on 02 November 2009

SO4 because of PS3 ROFL and LOL @ jarrod



 

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Xoj on 02 November 2009

so much for the JRPG console and sony will take it next year.



jarrod on 02 November 2009
Carl2291 said:
jarrod said:
Aprisaiden said:
@jarrod you do realize that SRPG's do not sell big. Hell what was the last SRPG to break 1 million excluding FF:Tactics ?

VC has sold incredibly well for a SRPG and a new IP.

I'm not arguing genre popularity, though even then it can be argued that SRPGs are generally low tech, low end, low promotion affairs (like Disgaea, FFTA, Luminous Arc, Fire Emblem, SRT, Cross Edge, etc, etc), which is something Valkyria goes against.  You can't really compare it to other genre entrants that still look 2 gens older, it got a vastly bigger budget and bigger push than any SRPG in recent memory (probably since... well FFT comparably).   If it'd really sold incredibly well, it's sequel wouldn't have jumped ship to PSP...

It must have sold well, hence... The sequel.

And they are already hinting at bringing Valkyria 3 to PS3.

Underperformers often get sequels, all it takes is confidence in the concept.  Which is what Sega has in Valkyria, though they're definitely taking a more consumers friendly route with the sequel (more generic art, school setting, PSP rather than PS3, local multiplayer).

Again, Sakura Taisen is the model, Sega probably expects Valkyria will eventually get there...



outlawauron on 02 November 2009
jarrod said:
Carl2291 said:
jarrod said:
Aprisaiden said:
@jarrod you do realize that SRPG's do not sell big. Hell what was the last SRPG to break 1 million excluding FF:Tactics ?

VC has sold incredibly well for a SRPG and a new IP.

I'm not arguing genre popularity, though even then it can be argued that SRPGs are generally low tech, low end, low promotion affairs (like Disgaea, FFTA, Luminous Arc, Fire Emblem, SRT, Cross Edge, etc, etc), which is something Valkyria goes against.  You can't really compare it to other genre entrants that still look 2 gens older, it got a vastly bigger budget and bigger push than any SRPG in recent memory (probably since... well FFT comparably).   If it'd really sold incredibly well, it's sequel wouldn't have jumped ship to PSP...

It must have sold well, hence... The sequel.

And they are already hinting at bringing Valkyria 3 to PS3.

Underperformers often get sequels, all it takes is confidence in the concept.  Which is what Sega has in Valkyria, though they're definitely taking a more consumers friendly route with the sequel (more generic art, school setting, PSP rather than PS3, local multiplayer).

Again, Sakura Taisen is the model, Sega probably expects Valkyria will eventually get there...

You have two assumptions that create a big problem in your argument:

1. Assuming the expectations of Valkyria Chronicles based on zero information from Sega

2. Assuming that Valkyria Chronicles had vast budget. It's true that it certainly cost more than Cross Edge or Disgaea, but was not a very expensive game.



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jarrod on 02 November 2009
outlawauron said:
jarrod said:
Carl2291 said:
jarrod said:
Aprisaiden said:
@jarrod you do realize that SRPG's do not sell big. Hell what was the last SRPG to break 1 million excluding FF:Tactics ?

VC has sold incredibly well for a SRPG and a new IP.

I'm not arguing genre popularity, though even then it can be argued that SRPGs are generally low tech, low end, low promotion affairs (like Disgaea, FFTA, Luminous Arc, Fire Emblem, SRT, Cross Edge, etc, etc), which is something Valkyria goes against.  You can't really compare it to other genre entrants that still look 2 gens older, it got a vastly bigger budget and bigger push than any SRPG in recent memory (probably since... well FFT comparably).   If it'd really sold incredibly well, it's sequel wouldn't have jumped ship to PSP...

It must have sold well, hence... The sequel.

And they are already hinting at bringing Valkyria 3 to PS3.

Underperformers often get sequels, all it takes is confidence in the concept.  Which is what Sega has in Valkyria, though they're definitely taking a more consumers friendly route with the sequel (more generic art, school setting, PSP rather than PS3, local multiplayer).

Again, Sakura Taisen is the model, Sega probably expects Valkyria will eventually get there...

You have two assumptions that create a big problem in your argument:

1. Assuming the expectations of Valkyria Chronicles based on zero information from Sega

2. Assuming that Valkyria Chronicles had vast budget. It's true that it certainly cost more than Cross Edge or Disgaea, but was not a very expensive game.

Well, for Sega's expectations, all we can go on is assumptions given they never released them publicly.  I'm inclined to believe they probably didn't hit what they wanted given the shifts we've seen for the sequel though, which isn't exactly a huge leap to make.

Also, I like how for your 2nd point you decry me for assumptions, then declare Valkyria "was not a very expensive game".  What's this based on again?  How cheap do you think a ground up PS3 engine is again?  What about the scrapped 360 R&D?  Anime tie-in?  Huge promotional push it saw in Japan?  I'd be pretty confident in "assuming" Valkyria Chronicles was likely the most expensive (non-licensed) SRPG to date in Japan.  There's more evidence pointing that direction than to the contrary...

 



Xoj on 02 November 2009
jarrod said:
outlawauron said:
jarrod said:
Carl2291 said:
jarrod said:
Aprisaiden said:
@jarrod you do realize that SRPG's do not sell big. Hell what was the last SRPG to break 1 million excluding FF:Tactics ?

VC has sold incredibly well for a SRPG and a new IP.

I'm not arguing genre popularity, though even then it can be argued that SRPGs are generally low tech, low end, low promotion affairs (like Disgaea, FFTA, Luminous Arc, Fire Emblem, SRT, Cross Edge, etc, etc), which is something Valkyria goes against.  You can't really compare it to other genre entrants that still look 2 gens older, it got a vastly bigger budget and bigger push than any SRPG in recent memory (probably since... well FFT comparably).   If it'd really sold incredibly well, it's sequel wouldn't have jumped ship to PSP...

It must have sold well, hence... The sequel.

And they are already hinting at bringing Valkyria 3 to PS3.

Underperformers often get sequels, all it takes is confidence in the concept.  Which is what Sega has in Valkyria, though they're definitely taking a more consumers friendly route with the sequel (more generic art, school setting, PSP rather than PS3, local multiplayer).

Again, Sakura Taisen is the model, Sega probably expects Valkyria will eventually get there...

You have two assumptions that create a big problem in your argument:

1. Assuming the expectations of Valkyria Chronicles based on zero information from Sega

2. Assuming that Valkyria Chronicles had vast budget. It's true that it certainly cost more than Cross Edge or Disgaea, but was not a very expensive game.

Well, for Sega's expectations, all we can go on is assumptions given they never released them publicly.  I'm inclined to believe they probably didn't hit what they wanted given the shifts we've seen for the sequel though, which isn't exactly a huge leap to make.

Also, I like how for your 2nd point you decry me for assumptions, then declare Valkyria "was not a very expensive game".  What's this based on again?  How cheap do you think a ground up PS3 engine is again?  What about the scrapped 360 R&D?  Anime tie-in?  Huge promotional push it saw in Japan?  I'd be pretty confident in "assuming" Valkyria Chronicles was likely the most expensive (non-licensed) SRPG to date in Japan.  There's more evidence pointing that direction than to the contrary...

 

there is nothing as scrapped R&D the few they learned could have been applied in the ps3 version, anime are generally have promotors, (sony music, bandai, square enix, sega to name a few) and they make money from ads that run in between.

VC didn't have bigger than average promotional push, at much star ocean 4 had a bigger one, same from the last renmant that had in MTV america yet failing to sell.