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Product on 29 October 2009

Hmm interesting take by all here.

Looks like Nintendo Dpad posted their opinion on the matter. I think Malstrom's will be similar to this actually.

http://nintendodpad.com/Welcome/News/Entries/2009/10/29_Nintendo_needs_content%2C_reason_why_profits_are_falling.html

 

It is crazy how many people seem to WANT the Wii to fail.



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Kasz216 on 29 October 2009
theprof00 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
theprof00 said:
Soriku said:
"except the demographics of PS2 and Wii owners isn't the same."

Yeah they are. They both target EVERYONE. You don't think there were lots of casuals out to buy PS2 games too?

targeting all ages and women does not mean everyone.

It does. Do you not know what the phrase "all ages" means?

age is a demographic modifier, as in male 20-24, or female 10-15.

However, there are other demographics that, while sharing similarities with age demographics, are independent.

 

For example, if I make a new kind of football helmet, the demographic I target will be team owners. While these team owners are probably male 40-70, my demographic is still "team owners", not "males 40-70", because the majority of "males 40-70" are not team owners.

This is what I mean when I say "targeting all ages does not mean everyone".

 

Except it does.

Because all squares are infact rectangles.

The fact that all rectangles are not squares is pointless.

I think what people miss about the wii is the fact that is has way more average users per household then the other consoles.

This means that there aren't that many "Mom's" or "Grandmas" just buying it for themselvses.

It means that more or them are USING it.  Who is buying the system is unknown, but the "core" gamer soriku is talking about is still playing and buying systems.  It's just a matter of everyone else in his household using it too. 

 



theprof00 on 29 October 2009
Kasz216 said:
theprof00 said:

age is a demographic modifier, as in male 20-24, or female 10-15.

However, there are other demographics that, while sharing similarities with age demographics, are independent.

 

For example, if I make a new kind of football helmet, the demographic I target will be team owners. While these team owners are probably male 40-70, my demographic is still "team owners", not "males 40-70", because the majority of "males 40-70" are not team owners.

This is what I mean when I say "targeting all ages does not mean everyone".

 

Except it does.

Because all squares are infact rectangles.

The fact that all rectangles are not squares is pointless.

No it doesn't.

Because people are extremely diverse even in their age ranges. Your analogy paints the picture that there is only one variant. In reality there are hundreds. Male 24-30 can have a hundred different specific demographics.



Kasz216 on 29 October 2009
theprof00 said:
Kasz216 said:
theprof00 said:

age is a demographic modifier, as in male 20-24, or female 10-15.

However, there are other demographics that, while sharing similarities with age demographics, are independent.

 

For example, if I make a new kind of football helmet, the demographic I target will be team owners. While these team owners are probably male 40-70, my demographic is still "team owners", not "males 40-70", because the majority of "males 40-70" are not team owners.

This is what I mean when I say "targeting all ages does not mean everyone".

 

Except it does.

Because all squares are infact rectangles.

The fact that all rectangles are not squares is pointless.

No it doesn't.

Because people are extremely diverse even in their age ranges. Your analogy paints the picture that there is only one variant. In reality there are hundreds. Male 24-30 can have a hundred different specific demographics.

Which is pointless when you target everyone... "we're trying to do everything that's been done before + newstuff."



68soul on 29 October 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
@68soul, how is Wii's potential market saturated? There are hundreds of millions of people who don't own a Wii and are not gamers, but could afford it, there is a much larger market still untapped by Wii.

The core nintendo games won't attract, you're right, but neither will the core third party, the multiplats aren't going to help push the Wii sales, what is needed is software to reach those hundreds of millions who still haven't gotten into gaming.


GTA and FF will not give the Wii the sales that it needs, if it could, then MS and Sony wouldn't be so far behind the Wii.

Nintendo never had trouble selling software to the mass market that only buys 3-4 games, maybe because they buy more games than you know

No Wii doesn't need to move on the hardware side, until they can find another disruption, one that shatters the Wii market and creates a totally new one.

 

Sorry if this may sound rude: but these "hundreds of millions of people" have other things in mind than playin a Wii... or any console, btw...

1 billion people on Earth don't eat enough, 2 billions don't have easy access to fresh water, 75% of the world's population is living in poverty, and even the workers in the most advanced economies have an hard time these days: how many people did lose their jobs in 2008-2009?

This is not Disneyland, this is the Earth, this is the real world, and gaming is a luxury... that many can't afford... and a passion, that many won't ever share... and all the Wii Sports and the Wii Fit in the world won't ever change that...

Just try to open your eyes, sometimes...

 



 

"A beautiful drawing in 480i will stay beautiful forever...

and an ugly drawing in 1080p will stay ugly forever..."

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noname2200 on 29 October 2009

Like Alterego said, it appears Malstrom once again called it before anyone else. And then folks wonder why others pay attention to the man.

Anyhow, I hope Nintendo gets out of this funk soon. Mah Wii needs moar gamez.



theprof00 on 29 October 2009
Kasz216 said:
theprof00 said:
Kasz216 said:
theprof00 said:

age is a demographic modifier, as in male 20-24, or female 10-15.

However, there are other demographics that, while sharing similarities with age demographics, are independent.

 

For example, if I make a new kind of football helmet, the demographic I target will be team owners. While these team owners are probably male 40-70, my demographic is still "team owners", not "males 40-70", because the majority of "males 40-70" are not team owners.

This is what I mean when I say "targeting all ages does not mean everyone".

 

Except it does.

Because all squares are infact rectangles.

The fact that all rectangles are not squares is pointless.

No it doesn't.

Because people are extremely diverse even in their age ranges. Your analogy paints the picture that there is only one variant. In reality there are hundreds. Male 24-30 can have a hundred different specific demographics.

Which is pointless when you target everyone... "we're trying to do everything that's been done before + newstuff."

And this is the reality

"we're trying to do everything that's been done before + newstuff."



LordTheNightKnight on 29 October 2009

Regardless, the PS1 and PS2 sold twice as much as the Wii, so until the Wii outsells them, saturation is a fallacy.



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Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

MasterZack on 29 October 2009

Totally agree, but, where is the link?



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theprof00 on 29 October 2009

right on, saturation is a fallacy. I been sayin' that for years.