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Oh, well, good point then. But I was actually talking about 60 years ago. I think Japan had more hate feelings for America after the war then they did for communism. This is just speculating on my part though. I've also never watched any Japanese movies. I'm not really into the Japanese culture(Ancient Era all the way xD)



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Badassbab said:
This thread was bound to become really politicised with simple minded comments being thrown around.

No shit sherlock! A thread with a political theme becoming politicized!( It's actually spelled like this)

 

What a surprise! You are right though.



Samus Aran said:
Oh, well, good point then. But I was actually talking about 60 years ago. I think Japan had more hate feelings for America after the war then they did for communism. This is just speculating on my part though.

After WW2?  Yeah, i can see that.  The difference though is... Russia hasn't done anything to "fix" it like the Americans.

In fact after WW2 they made it worse... as the communist governments they set up inflicted problems on the japanese.

For example the North Koreans started kidnapping Japanese citizens in the late 70's.

After seeing what happened to Korea, Vitenam and Germany... and what ALMOST happened to Japan, along with the US helping with the Japanese miracle (although that was mostly japanese don't get me wrong.) the attitude towards America seemed to have changed.

In the Cold War scenario it's hard for the US to not be cast as the good guys.

Just how the Allies are cast as the good guys in WW2.

The Allies did a LOT of questionable stuff too.  Firebombing of Dresden, japanese american internment, knowing about concentration camps but not diverting planes to rail lines that would save thousands of jewish lives, etc.

It's just what the other side did was so bad that's all anyone focuses on.

 



True, but Japan was weakened a lot by the heavy blow brought upon them by the Americans. That put them in a lot of danger because they were unable to defend properly against communism. It's pretty obvious America helped though, the threat of Japan becoming a communist country was too big for them during the cold war.

And it's pretty easy to cast Americans as the bad guys during the cold war though, they did some pretty nasty stuff in Vietnam, South Korea, North Korea and Cuba(economical embargo, countless assassination attempts on Fidel Castro, there's even a museum about it lol).

Ps: Has America ever apologized for throwing 2 atom bombs on Japan?

 

 



Samus Aran said:
True, but Japan was weakened a lot by the heavy blow brought upon them by the Americans. That put them in a lot of danger because they were unable to defend properly against communism. It's pretty obvious America helped though, the threat of Japan becoming a communist country was too big for them during the cold war.

Ps: Has America ever apologized for throwing 2 atom bombs on Japan?

Pelosi might have in 08.  Nothing official i don't think though.

Besides, the Japanese never apologized for bombing Pearl Harbor and starting the war anyway.

Truth is, while FDR was going behind America's back trying to get us into the war... chances are we would of never entered had the Japanese not attacked us.

The US led by the republicans were VERY anti-war.  In fact FDR and the English government actually had to falsely imprison someone who tried to bring the truth to the American people... which would of led to FDRs removel and replacment by a more isolationist republican.

FDR actually ran under the plank of not bringing us into the war even though he fully planned to... had the Japanese not given us this opsening said war may of never involved the US.

Not that the US was quite the "World Savers" anyway... or at least not how they were made out to be.

The Axis powers still would of lost WW2 had it not been for the US, even if Churchill thought they needed the US.

The truth is Russia eventually would of pulled it out. 

The US "saved" the world in that the split with russia led to the cold war.

In reality had the US not joined the war chances are most of mainland europe would of ended up communist not facist as well as most of Japans holdings.

Leading to the cold war being won by the russians.  If it had even happened at all.  Since all the german nuclear scientist would of been russian owned and the US wouldn't of had as much reason for funding the program.

 

Really the dropping of the 2 atomic bombs was far from the worst things the allies did in WW2... let alone everybody.  I mean has their ever been an apology for the "rape of Nanking".  I don't believe so.



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Hitler had an agreement with Stalin that Russia wouldn't interfere with the war in Europe though. But then Hitler made the really dumb decision to attack Russia(Seriously Hitler? Why make the same mistake as in WWl? He should have just focused on England seeing as France was beaten very quickly...)

Stalin was very surprised to say the least when Hitler invaded Russia.

But even if Hitler wouldn't have attacked Russia during WWll... Stalin would have probably attacked Germany(or Europe if Germany would have still lost the war) after Hitler's war in Europe because they would be weakened then(or Europe weakened if Hitler would have still lost). I can't say this for sure, but it would be a golden ticket for Stalin.



Ah, Samus Aran... what are you on about? Communists being worse than the Nazis? (don't remember communists organizing peoples and sexual orientations, along with the crippled physically/mentally for organized extermination...)

Don't remember them desiring to conquer lands just to make space for themselves and SLAVES of the natives (the Eastern expansion...).

USSR? China? NK? beans compared to the Khmer Rouge of Cambodia. Seek your examples there. They are also nothing in the face of the Nazi ideology and actions.

Also, Hitler doing the same mistake as the Germans did in WWI? may I remind you, that the Germans destroyed Russia in WWI? how is that repeating a mistake? if anything, such a mistake would've let him win. Vanity and pride prevented him from winning in the East.



Xen said:
Ah, Samus Aran... what are you on about? Communists being worse than the Nazis? (don't remember communists organizing peoples and sexual orientations, along with the crippled physically/mentally for organized extermination...)

Don't remember them desiring to conquer lands just to make space for themselves and SLAVES of the natives (the Eastern expansion...).

USSR? China? NK? beans compared to the Khmer Rouge of Cambodia. Seek your examples there. They are also nothing in the face of the Nazi ideology and actions.

Also, Hitler doing the same mistake as the Germans did in WWI? may I remind you, that the Germans destroyed Russia in WWI? how is that repeating a mistake? if anything, such a mistake would've let him win. Vanity and pride prevented him from winning in the East.

http://www.gendercide.org/case_stalin.html

Stalins death toll was much greater though his categorizations were slightly different.



USSR is not only Stalin, However.



Xen said:
USSR is not only Stalin, However.

Yeah, and Stalin alone beat the Nazis without considering anyone else...  So i don't see your point.