If you're into Kabbalah, the answer is yes, G-d has limitless powers, including the power to limit its own powers, which it did to create the universe. G-d had to create a gap between itself and everything else, so that it wouldn't overwhelm and overflow the universe with its intense power and light. G-d was everything, and had to create a giant hole inside itself to put the universe in.
Sqrl said:
As someone who actually agrees with you as far as BB Theory is concerned I have to say you make it hard to be on your side when you get indignant that someone else doesn't share your view on the subject. Don't say you COULD give facts...actually give them. Actually explain them in a way people can grasp. In other words rather than beating people upside the head with the fact that you know something they don't, just explain it to them and let them decide what to do with it. If they don't want anything to do with it then that is their choice and really shouldn't concern you or bother you at all.
@OP, As for the original question, I would point out that the defintion of omnipotence is at the heart of the question. If you view omnipotence as the ability to do anything, even that which is inherently impossible, then the question means something. If you view it as the ability to do anything that is not inherently impossible then it means nothing. The point being that the question asks for god to accomplish two mutually exclusive tasks. If we substitute for another set of mutually exclusive tasks we can see how absurd the request is. For example: "Can god make the light bulb in your dining room simultaneously be on and off?" Finally, there is a third option, and most people are not going to like it. The third option is that he possibly could have a light bulb be on and off at the same time....or that he could make a rock to big for him to lift and then lift it. If you believe the request puts strain on his ability to be omnipotent then you are asking him to do what you believe is impossible as far as your perception is concerned. But your perception is limited and any objection of "but that is impossible!" is just being silly. If you define omnipotence as being able to do the impossible you cannot then balk when the omnipotent being actually does it. In conclusion, if omnipotence means you can do anything, even the inherently impossible, then there is no contradiction because he can do the impossible even when it defies logic. On the other hand if omnipotence means you can do anything, as long as it isn't inherently impossible, then there is still no contradiction because he would never claim to be able to make an unliftable rock that he can lift in the first place. But we can skip all of that and point out that the question is truly moot becuase you would have to ask the man himself and not a bunch of mortals who really have no clue what omnipotence would actually be like. |
The point is that if he creates the rock and then lifts it he isn't breaking the laws of logic - he's breaking the rules of the question. If he does that he has the ability to lift the rock and therefore hasn't created a rock that is too heavy for him to lift. Hence if the definition of omnipotence is 'the ability to do anything' omnipotence is logically impossible.
Also it isn't really the same as the lightbulb example. This question is meant to be asking 'does omnipotence cover the ability to limit your own powers, and if it does are you omnipotent after doing so?' - the lightbulb example doesn't do that.
@Rubang. So does that mean that God is not quite omnipotent after it limits its own powers?
In that theory, G-d is limitless and all-powerful, but has created kind of a giant black hole to put the universe and humanity into. If G-d comes in, he'll just fill it up immediately, because he is all-present everythingness. So G-d created 10 filters to separate his infinite self and the universe. Our only experience with G-d comes through these filters, so it is impossible to know or understand. So people study the filters instead of G-d, which we could never comprehend. So G-d is still omnipotent, but not in our universe, which it can't come into. I think. It's been a while since I read all this stuff, so I might be a little off, but I think that's the main idea. If you need more info, you could e-mail Madonna.
highwaystar101 said:
*Sigh* Edwin Hubble must be spinning in his grave. So what, did I waste 3 years doing my degree at University? Because the subject of my degree wouldn't have even existed if the big bang hadn't of occurred. I don't think you actually understand what the big bang is, I think you just think it was a random explosion out of nothing, it's not. I suggest that you read Universe in a nutshell by Stephen Hawking. I'm 100% sure the big bang theory is fact, but what I think doesn't make it so. What does matter is the thousands of tests that have been carried out with results supporting the big bang theory. Their are a set of four pieces of observable evidence that together conclusively prove the big bang theory.
To be honest I think over the past month or two the Planck probe mission has proven the big bang to be fact alone. Next time you're watching TV, remember that you wouldn't even be watching it if the big bang hadn't occurred. |
^Part highlighted made me lawl.
OFFICIAL TALLY:
God: 1
Science: Stupid, aka ZERO.
Also, Steven Hawking may be smart but he's still gotta talk through a computer.
This post is also for Highwaystar101
See? It's obvious science is wrong.
SimonSaysFYou said:
^Part highlighted made me lawl. OFFICIAL TALLY: God: 1 Science: Stupid, aka ZERO. Also, Steven Hawking may be smart but he's still gotta talk through a computer. |
How dare you make fun of someone with motor neuron disease. Honestly, how fucking sick can someone get? Crossing the line or what.
| SimonSaysFYou said: ^Part highlighted made me lawl. OFFICIAL TALLY: God: 1 Science: Stupid, aka ZERO. Also, Steven Hawking may be smart but he's still gotta talk through a computer. |
To clarify:
....Are you making fun of one of the greatest minds on the planet because of a physical handicap?
Khuutra said:
To clarify: ....Are you making fun of one of the greatest minds on the planet because of a physical handicap? |
highwaystar101 said:
How dare you make fun of someone with motor neuron disease. Honestly, how fucking sick can someone get? Crossing the line or what. |
dang bro, chill out. he IS obviously very smart and I do enjoy listening to his incredibly insightful speeches. Yes it was a bit fucked up, but I have a dry sense of humor, which obviously doesn't mend well with you. no need to get all dramatic.
Khuutra said:
To clarify: ....Are you making fun of one of the greatest minds on the planet because of a physical handicap? |
Is this guy like your god or something? you're certainly acting like he is.
The guy's a genius, but he's still human, folks. And just because he's a genius doesn't make him immune to the occasional low blow joke.
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