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1337 Gamer said:
Um no. PS3s main selling point is its technology. Come next gen it will no longer have this selling point. Both from a features and graphics perspective it will be passed by relatively easy. Without these aspects PS3s will not be "flying off the shelves".

Selling point's can change very easily.  While when the system released it was all about the technology that is already starting to change now that it is a similar price to the Xbox 360.  If new consoles where to be released, all of a sudden the PS3 would be seen as the bargain console.



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Joelcool7 said:
Gilgamesh said:

OK

Game Prices: I agree with you on this one that there are a lot of old titles that should be dropped down. But old good title usually become Greatest hits and sells for $25, so that's pretty good, you just have to wait a little longer.

Development cost: The development cost for the PS3 and X360 are the same, why would it double for the PS3? For multiplats the X360 and PS3 come out with same game graphically. The average HD game is 15 million.

Porting difficulties: That is a thing of the past, I'm sure every developer is use to the PS3 now (except for Valve which they still complain about the PS3 even though they never even attempted at making a game on the PS3). Back when the PS2 was released developers had the same problem with the PS3, it was really difficult to make games on (even harder then the PS3) now look at all the vaporware on it, it just takes time to know how to work the hardware. The PS3 has been out for 3 years now.

Hardware cost: I have nothing to say about this. I mean the PS3 was at a high price now it's not, obviously the PS3 was going to be affordable at some point.

Classics online: If you lived in Japan you wouldn't be complaining about the lack of PS Classics, last time I checked (about 7 months ago) they had well over 200 PS1 games on there PSN. SCEA said that there going to focus on getting a lot more PS classics on the PSN for America, for a long time we only had about 25 PS Classics on the PSN, in the last few months that went up to about 60+. So in time there will be plenty.

Online network: Sinse the PSN in free the PSN is pratically just as good as Xbox Live. The one thing everyone says that's better on the Xbox live is the fact that they have in game voice chat. And Naughty Dog said that the next PS Firmware will have in game voice chat for the PS3 so?

Blu-Ray: Yeh that was a problem in the past, the PS3 was advertise more to be a Blu-Ray player then a gaming machine. But that was all in the past, Sony is focusing more on Gaming now.

Motion Controller: I doubt much will happen with the PS "Sphere", the people that buy a PS3 don't want to use motion controllers, if they did they'd buy a Wii.

Sony is doing nothing different with the PS3 then what they did with the PS1 and PS2, both consoles lasted about 10 years. What Sony is talking about is that there going to keep supporting the PS3 for atleast 10 years. It's not like there going to only come out with a new conosle in 2016, that wouldn't work out to well. Since we can't predict what nex gen console are going to be like Sony can't risk to hold on to the PS3 and only the PS3 till 2016. There will be a PS4 and it's already in the works. It'll be released when Nintendo and Microsoft comes out with there next machine. Probably 2012 - 2013.

Alright you seem to get my point!

It is 2009 almost 2010 and Sony is only now catching up with the competition and seeing success. Infact last month and likely this month the PS3 actually beat the Wii and 360. This is a huge feat.

So if Sony is only now becoming successful (Seeing hardware and software sales rise) and is only now getting caught up with Voice Chat and other online features (PSOne classics). Only now getting a motion controller and only now seeing BluRay success. Would it make sense for them to start all over with PS4 in 2011?

Nintendo will launch their next platform in 2011. I can pretty much gaurantee it. It will have been five years since Wii launched and sales of the Wii are beginning to wane. Nintendo's poor graphics and lower priced competition is going to drive their market share down. We also know from interviews with Miyamoto that the next console will be HD.

Why will Microsoft launch their new platform next fall or at latest in 2011. Same as Nintendo. Microsoft's hardware sales are beginning to faulter. Sure Microsoft is still second place but Sony is beginning to catch up. Microsoft has publically said they have a four year life cycle and now it will have been five years (2010). With Natal getting ready Microsoft is likely going to launch a new platform next fall.

Sony, unlike the competition is not seeing hardware sales wane. Instead they are seeing increases in hardware and software sales. Their hardware is selling better and better. Sony is only now seeing the BluRay success they had hoped for and this holiday will see a major market share boost. It makes no sense for them to start back at square one in 2011! Unless for some reason their sales begin to faulter again next year!

Correction it's a huge feat to beat the Wii, the PS3 has beatin the X360 many times. And of course it's a huge feat, it's the Wii.

Most consoles get better over time anyway, it's not like there first year out is there best. And the reason why Sony is behind on the Online is because Microsoft started the whol Online gaming during the Xbox days, so Microsoft had a whole generation on Sony, of course they'd be behind a little. And Blu-ray obviously wasn't going to be a huge hit at the beginning, DVD is still dominating the market quite a bit. And I don't know why they would be "Starting all over" wouldn't they build on what they have for the PS3?

That's just laughable that Nintendo will launch a new console in 2011, you really think the Wii is going to be selling really bad by then? Coming out with a new console is risky and would completely kill the Wii sales, why not do the smart thing and just ride the money train until it runs out?

The thing about Microsoft is they launched a year ahead of the PS3 and Wii, so obivously they'll probably be the first ones to come out with a new console (like they did for this generation) It's not like Nintendo and Sony has to come out with a new console the during the same period of time. lol hell I even remember them saying they were going to keep the X360 1 day longer then the PS3, fat chance of that happening.

Like I said it was only a matter of time, obviosuly it was going to sell like crap at a high price then once it get's cheap it'll start selling like hot cakes. And again like I said, most consoles have there best years, 2 or 3 years out. Hell the DS has been out for 5 years now and it looks like it still hasn't peaked.

You can't really compare consoles, there all so different and they sell really different, especially this generation.



Gilgamesh said:

Back when the PS2 was released developers had the same problem with the PS3, it was really difficult to make games on (even harder then the PS3) now look at all the vaporware on it (...)

I generally agree with you, but I suggest you learn what the word "vaporware" means.



skip said:

At the op

 

Why do you have to lie about the game prices.

 

xbox 360 exclusives prices

halo odst: 69.99

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10125648&catid=

left 4 dead 2: 69.99

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10125707&catid=

forza 3: 64.99

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10125706&catid=

 

multiplat prices

borderlands: (both versions) 69.99

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10124753&catid=

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10124754&catid=

batman arkham asylum: (both versions) 69.99

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10123503&catid=

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10123505&catid=

Modern warfare 2: (both versions) 69.99

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0665000FS10125087&catid=24299&logon=&langid=EN

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0665000FS10125088&catid=23358&logon=&langid=EN

 

ps3  exclusive prices

uncharted 2: 59.99

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0665000FS10125776&catid=24302&logon=&langid=EN

ratchet and clank: crack in time: 59.99

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10132019&catid=

demons soul: 69.99

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10132005&catid=

 

Nice, how long did it take you to find a site that overpriced 360 games?

Here's a more objective list...

 

XBOX 360:

Halo ODST $47.49

http://www.amazon.com/Halo-3-ODST-Xbox-360/dp/B001HWB68K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1256434557&sr=8-1

Left4Dead $54.99

http://www.amazon.com/Left4Dead-2-Xbox-360/dp/B002BRZ852/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1256435783&sr=1-1

Forza3 $54.99

http://www.amazon.com/Forza-Motorsport-3-Xbox-360/dp/B002BSA2LQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1256435773&sr=1-1

 

Multiplat:

Borderlands $58.99

http://www.amazon.com/Borderlands-Xbox-360/dp/B000WMEEB2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1256436787&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/Borderlands-Playstation-3/dp/B000WMEEBM/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1256436787&sr=1-3

Batman Arkham asylum $52.99

http://www.amazon.com/Batman-Arkham-Asylum-Xbox-360/dp/B001E8VB3C/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1256436883&sr=1-2

http://www.amazon.com/Batman-Arkham-Asylum-Playstation-3/dp/B001E8VB6O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1256436883&sr=1-1

Modern Warefare 2 $59.99

http://www.amazon.com/Call-Duty-Modern-Warfare-Xbox-360/dp/B00269QLI8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1256437156&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/Call-Duty-Modern-Warfare-Playstation-3/dp/B00269QLH4/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1256437156&sr=1-2

 

PS3

Uncharted 2 $54.99

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss?url=search-alias%3Dvideogames&field-keywords=Uncharted+2&x=0&y=0

Ratchet and Clank: Crack in Time $56.49

http://www.amazon.com/Ratchet-Clank-Future-Crack-Playstation-3/dp/B00275A7LI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1256437311&sr=1-1

Demon's souls $56.99

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_0_12?url=search-alias%3Dvideogames&field-keywords=demon%27s+souls&sprefix=Demon%27s+soul

 

 



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I think you missed the point. He was showing Canadian prices



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ctalkeb said:
Gilgamesh said:

Back when the PS2 was released developers had the same problem with the PS3, it was really difficult to make games on (even harder then the PS3) now look at all the vaporware on it (...)

I generally agree with you, but I suggest you learn what the word "vaporware" means.

Sorry got that mixed up, I meant Shovelware



Gilgamesh said:
ctalkeb said:
Gilgamesh said:

Back when the PS2 was released developers had the same problem with the PS3, it was really difficult to make games on (even harder then the PS3) now look at all the vaporware on it (...)

I generally agree with you, but I suggest you learn what the word "vaporware" means.

Sorry got that mixed up, I meant Shovelware

No prob.  Sometimes I just don't know on VGC what is an honest mistake and what is just... lack of knowledge.

Bleh, let's just all agree that OP is a bad idea with bad arguments.



you are one of the reasons why people hate VGC



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Fame_Mcswagg said:
I think you missed the point. He was showing Canadian prices

heh, I fail...



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Only way I see this working is if PS3 still gets huge 3rd party support and if Sony re-designs the console (but still keeps the PS3 name) around the same time as the nextbox and Wii 2 so it somewhat "tricks" people into thinking its the next sony console.



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