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Khuutra on 22 October 2009

Yeah I guess so.

Though they dealt with something like that in Sith Lords, depending on your gender...



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vlad321 on 22 October 2009
Khuutra said:
Yeah I guess so.

Though they dealt with something like that in Sith Lords, depending on your gender...

Through letting a group of men rape a waitress?

There are of course more though I just didn't want to list them. The point is the game let you have a massive control over the story, something KoToR did not do as boradly.



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HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

Acevil on 22 October 2009
vlad321 said:
Khuutra said:
Yeah I guess so.

Though they dealt with something like that in Sith Lords, depending on your gender...

Through letting a group of men rape a waitress?

There are of course more though I just didn't want to list them. The point is the game let you have a massive control over the story, something KoToR did not do as boradly.

I think they will allow it, I mean fallout 3 has some pretty big choices.



 

Khuutra on 22 October 2009

Look, the decisions to let people commit rape or murder children isn't exactly a mark of high storytelling, even in a game that's about choice. I don't see it as a necessary advantage.



vlad321 on 22 October 2009
Khuutra said:
Look, the decisions to let people commit rape or murder children isn't exactly a mark of high storytelling, even in a game that's about choice. I don't see it as a necessary advantage.

No it's not about story telling, it jsut shows how the world is as well as define your character based on his decision. So not much sotry to it. Also agreed on Fallout 3, it did push boundaries but not enough. In Fallout 2 I would have been able to become a prostitue fr caps or killed all the arrogant children in Little Town, something I SORELY missed in FO3.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

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Acevil on 22 October 2009
Khuutra said:
Look, the decisions to let people commit rape or murder children isn't exactly a mark of high storytelling, even in a game that's about choice. I don't see it as a necessary advantage.

Um I think he was talking about why the witcher will not be on the consoles among other things.



 

darthdevidem01 on 22 October 2009
Acevil said:
darthdevidem01 said:
kitler53 said:
darth, pointing to MGS doesn't really disprove the point. i never played MGS so i'll just take your word that it's a great story but in general story telling in video games is pretty poor. plus, most games that do tell a good story don't really tell the story via gameplay, they tell it via cut scenes with isn't actually a video game, it's a video game movie break.

IGN said GTA4's story was "oscar level quality"

They were wrong, but they weren't absolutely completely wrong as the story was good!

Nowhere near "crap" or anything like that, the story accept was accomplished well.

@your bolded

I think Heavy Rain will change that......right CGI?

You said MGS4 story was so awesome.

You were wrong but not absolutely completely wrong as the story was alright.

I could go on, but honestly stop inflating MGS4. MGS > MGS4.

I could go on too

stop inflating MGS1

For me MGS4's story was far better & a fitting end to gamings 2nd best franchise



All hail the KING, Andrespetmonkey

Khuutra on 22 October 2009
KylieDog said:
Khuutra said:

"Anyone who thinks video game stories are good need open their eyes and read a book, and not some crap like Twilight."

Hey, guess what! Books have shitty stories too! I've been reading books for about as logn as I've been able to talk and I lov books more than pretty much anyone I've ever met, I devour novels like I do hamburgers, but books and vinema are not intrinsically higher forms of art. Most books are shit! Most movies are shit! The stories therein are primarily derivative, the characters have all been seen literally a million timees, and no plot is even close to being original!

When people say this kind of thing, it just makes me thin they don't read enough books. It's not any healthier than video games, guys! There are just more books!

Why you would read the enlarged text and then immediatly reply with the fact some books are 'shitty' I do not know.   Go find the greatest, most well wrote and well told story in video games.  It will be equal with one of those shitty trash novels you buy for £1 at the airport that you are meant to read on the plane and never mention or discuss with anyone once you step off.

It isn't about reading enough books, is about not reading crap books.  Comparing one form of crap to another doesn't make whichever is better good.

Look I don't know what kind of impression you've gotten from Resident Evil, but the best stories in video games are comparable to the best stories in any other medium according to my experience. That's the other half of the parallel.

Hell, Sith Lords got me to talk about Nietszche more than the man himself did.

And yes, reducing gaming stories as far as you do is so absurd that it's almost painful to read.



vlad321 on 22 October 2009
Khuutra said:
KylieDog said:
Khuutra said:

"Anyone who thinks video game stories are good need open their eyes and read a book, and not some crap like Twilight."

Hey, guess what! Books have shitty stories too! I've been reading books for about as logn as I've been able to talk and I lov books more than pretty much anyone I've ever met, I devour novels like I do hamburgers, but books and vinema are not intrinsically higher forms of art. Most books are shit! Most movies are shit! The stories therein are primarily derivative, the characters have all been seen literally a million timees, and no plot is even close to being original!

When people say this kind of thing, it just makes me thin they don't read enough books. It's not any healthier than video games, guys! There are just more books!

Why you would read the enlarged text and then immediatly reply with the fact some books are 'shitty' I do not know.   Go find the greatest, most well wrote and well told story in video games.  It will be equal with one of those shitty trash novels you buy for £1 at the airport that you are meant to read on the plane and never mention or discuss with anyone once you step off.

It isn't about reading enough books, is about not reading crap books.  Comparing one form of crap to another doesn't make whichever is better good.

Look I don't know what kind of impression you've gotten from Resident Evil, but the best stories in video games are comparable to the best stories in any other medium according to my experience. That's the other half of the parallel.

Hell, Sith Lords got me to talk about Nietszche more than the man himself did.

And yes, reducing gaming stories as far as you do is so absurd that it's almost painful to read.

I must have REALLY mised something in that game cause I so did not get that same impression. Comparing it to say, Count of Monte Cristo would be just wrong.



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HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

Mirson on 22 October 2009
vlad321 said:

MGS4 did have pretty crappy story, it also took 10 hours of my life for which I have been mailing Kojima to pay me back. I'm looking at about $250 since that was my salary back then.

IT WAS a shitty and horrible movie with good gameplay, too bad it was mostly a shitty movie.

 

Half-Life 2 has done it best. You can't do everything but you are given a lot of freedom in the given area, and the tims when you can't act are because of other source so the feeling of being trapped is much stronger, the way video games should be.

I agree with the first two paragraphs. MGS4's story is terrible - full of melodramatic cutscenes like Otacon crying over a one night stand. Repetitive and horrific dialogue, terrible character development (especially the bosses) and nanomachines being the answer to everything is a damn joke. Biggest disappointment this gen for me.