umm, he wasn't saying anything about pirating.

And if you really want to go down the pirating road, you can pirate anything really, ever bought a "rolex" from a shady dude wearing a trenchcoat on the street corner? Or how about buying a painting that turned out to be fake. See, while you had to pay for the "rolex" and the "vangough" painting, somebody made an illegal copy of them, and THAT is pirating.

He was trying to equate dishes to games with a faulty analogy. What you listed is counterfeiting, not the copyright infringement of intellectual property. Counterfeiters also make lower quality items for a reason. I bet they won't be selling you a Rolex made out of gold.

Pirated copies are perfect copies down to the bit, counterfeiting does not produce the exact same results.

There is NO difference between reselling Software or other Goods there is simply NO difference.

I agree if you say Reselling good is immoral because it hurts the Companies which produced the goods.

And I agree if you say reselling goods is not immoral because you own this product and you can sell it thats you right and has always been your right especially in America or Britan

But I cant accept if you say you cant resell software because its immoral but you can resell everything else.

I mean this is completly illogical.

If there is something faulty about it you could explain me this quick maybe I just cant see something.

Yes there is. Because you also pay for matrials when you buy a dish, not so with a video game. You pay for the idea on the CD, not the CD itself. That's how it is different.

Erm, no, his analogy was perfectly fine for all intents and purposes. A counterfit painting is often sold at around the same price as an origional one, it IS a copyright infringement and IS against the law. ( this of course being the case IF the fact that it is a counterfit is not disclosed) BTW what game dev do you work for? You have the same asinine mentallity that many do...The used game market IS GOOD for the devs. to kill it off would be to kill their golden egg laying goose.

Aha ok so you cant resell Music Books Programms  and ofcourse you cant resell A gillete razor because they spend 1 Billion Dollars for the Development of Gillete Mach 3 Razor.

The Developments Cost of all Products are more then just high and certainly higher then the development cost of a Game.

You pay in a Mercedes Blueline maybe 30% of the Price for the development (Ideas) Costs.

And the Mach 3 Razor had 1 Billion Dollar Developments cost 10 years ago you could have produced maybe 20 games for the Price. And the Material is worthless as worthless as a CD with Package.

Why shouldnt it be possible to resell those goods.

You know that the Material of a product is not the Costly thing you pay for an Ipod only because of the Idea and the Brand Name. You pay for the Idea in almost everything.

The Idea is what sells the Product. If you would just pay the manufactoring Costs and the Material the Porducts would cost maybe 50% the rest is marketing administration and development. For example they invented a Color for Houses which filtrate the air they change the particles which can cause Cancer into Nitrits and with the Rain it comes down the wall. You pay ONLY for the Idea the Material and manufacturing are almost nothing. Even marketing cost are nothing and you cant resell the Color on Ebay because its immoral ?


Sorry this logic is flawed. Books and MusicCDs are exactly the same thing as I mentioned above they cant be reselled too ?

And whats with new Computertechnologie ? The RD Costs are a significant amount of ALL PC Parts and have to be included in the Price. They cant be reselled too ? You pay for the IDEA of the CELL and not only for the Cell itself. There are maybe 1 Million different patents all over the World in every product and you pay just for the Idea thats why the people pay more for the Western Technology its full of ideas instead of cheap Chinese Copies which are just cheap and always a step behind.

Maybe you should think about it again. A Ferrari Costs maximum 10000 Dollar if you take the Material (excluding thr leather Seats) but the Research and the Know How (and ofcourse the Brand) is the Expensive thing of it.

Development Costs= A giant bunch of Ideas fromt different departments

Marketing Cost= One big Idea combinated with small ones.

In both you pay just the Ideas and the Time of the people which made the ideas (like on a game)

Only pirating is immoral. It is the only one where the publisher (not the developer as they have no role in this part) is not actually selling the copy to someone. In all the others, the developer has already sold that copy so at least they got something out of it. In pirating... they get nothing.

Same with used games as well. They see nothing from them.

@ironman

Counterfeits are not perfect copies and unless it's money they get tried for fraud not sopyright infringement.

As to used game sales being good for the industry, then so are pirated games. Developers see none of the money in either case.

The concept of intellectual property is immoral.

We have the Internet, unlike in older ages when knowledge was power, and IP laws made sense. Now we can copy any information for free, and the idea that we shouldn't, but we should stick to the previous physical costs, is ridiculous.

You could as well say that if we would be able to create expensive cars out of thin air, we should ban that possibility, to support the manufacturers, even though we could live without them, or that we should ban all machines, because paying only for hand-made products would create more jobs, and a richer economy.

Oh that makes sense.  Where did they get the used copy to begin with?  Hmm... unless it was stolen out of the publisher's warehouse I'm pretty sure some retailer had to originally buy it from them.  Yes they'll lose potential sales but they will still get something for that first individual copy.