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Kenology said:
grapeape said:

Ok so lets base it on your "tastes" with the exception of Metroid Prime...the combined sales of every single Wii game mentioned in your sig totals less than 900,000 sales.  Thats over half a million less than a game the OP called a failure....1). and that doesnt bother you?  2). The issue isnt that carnival games outsold deadly creatures its that there has not been a single 3rd party game that would be concidered a "hardcore" or traditional game that has been successful.  For what its worth I do own a Wii and happen to be one of the 14,000 that bothered with Valhalla Knights and one of the 52,000 that bothered with Cursed Mountain.  It really doesnt concern you that games like Pimp My Ride and Bullet Witch outsell things like Klonoa?  I would like to see 3rd parties continue to support the console but im starting to think its pointless since going to the wii is almost like ensuring that the developer will loose money.

1).  Not at all!  I like the games I like and I play and enjoy them.  If others don't like those games, that's fine.  Doesn't upset me one bit and why should it?

2).  Wow.  I'd really like to know what games you consider to be "hardcore".  Because by what I perceive to be the standard definition, I can think of quite a few...

3).  Dude, you're gonna get that in every industry.  More people watch Fox News than Democracy Now!, more people buy GamePro than Play Magazine, more people buy 50 cent and Lil' Wayne albums than Talib Kweli, Mos Def, Little Brother, or Immortal Technique.  Some products cater to niche markets and/or like-minded individuals while others are more mainstream and can reach more people. 

4). But these 3rd parties are continuing their support.  Let's take the games you mentioned earlier:

             A.  No More Heroes - Getting a sequel and Suda 51's best selling game to date

             B.  Tales of Symphona - Getting Tales of Graces, a mothership Tales title (unlike the DotNW spinoff), in just a few short months

             C.  MadWorld - Sega's John Clark says that MadWorld sold well enough that Sega is ready to "invest in high quality, new IP."

             D.  The Conduit - as we speak, Gladiator and The Grinder, are deep in development...

             E.  Okami - This game exceeded Capcoms expectations and they're pleased with sales - pretty decent for a game that flopped on       PS2.     Just released in Japan and sold 25k first week.  Nice numbers for a 3 year old port. 

 

 

This is the thing, Wii games don't need to sell a huge number to be profitable because the costs of making the game is about 50% of an HD game. HD games require far more units sold but are spread across 2-3 platforms with a userbase far more likely to buy more traditional games.

The problem is that most publishers look at the Wii and can see that with minimal investment, they can make a profit. They can release any piece of shovelware with minimal dev costs and minimal advertising. The new breed of gamers who see it in the shops may just buy it, leading to a few sales, but that's all it takes for that crap game to be profitable. This has lead to the lack of traditional 3rd-party games compared to the HD consoles (that and developers wanting to work on newer tech and not wanting to have their skills become outdated by not learning the latest tech)



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I think EA should've asked themselves if it's really ok to send a game out with little to no advertising. Did they think "but it's a decent game, and studies shows that Wii owners can smell themselves to quality games, even when they don't know the game exists, or it's hidden behind tons of other games. Actually, they can even find it in a store than weren't supposed to have a single copy of it! Truly remarkable!"

Pfft, I'm getting Tales of Symphonia 2 in a couple of weeks, it's more than 100 kr cheaper than DSE, and I'm getting a cute Plush doll for free as a pre-order bonus! Take that!
(Wii games normally cost about 549-599 kr)



KylieDog said:
Also wil people stop this test game nonsense. This is what the Wii gets, they are not tests, these are IT. If you don't like them buy a new console and stop whining about them.

OMG your right for once!

& I agree with you



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KylieDog said:
Also wil people stop this test game nonsense. This is what the Wii gets, they are not tests, these are IT. If you don't like them buy a new console and stop whining about them.

Don't you think that Wii owners would have already bought another console if it really had what they wanted?



"The worst part about these reviews is they are [subjective]--and their scores often depend on how drunk you got the media at a Street Fighter event."  — Mona Hamilton, Capcom Senior VP of Marketing
*Image indefinitely borrowed from BrainBoxLtd without his consent.

famousringo said:
KylieDog said:
Also wil people stop this test game nonsense. This is what the Wii gets, they are not tests, these are IT. If you don't like them buy a new console and stop whining about them.

Don't you think that Wii owners would have already bought another console if it really had what they wanted?

No, no, no, Wii owners can't buy other consoles. They have to stay with their Wii and smile for every bone that's thrown at them. That's how it is. That's the way of the Wiimurai.



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famousringo said:
KylieDog said:
Also wil people stop this test game nonsense. This is what the Wii gets, they are not tests, these are IT. If you don't like them buy a new console and stop whining about them.

Don't you think that Wii owners would have already bought another console if it really had what they wanted?

You say that, but why do they end up whining on forums so much? It doesn't make any sense. I finally managed to convince my Wii-only console owning friend to stop complaining about the Wii not getting any decent 3rd-party games and play HD games on his Mac (dual boot so he plays via Windows).



Ech, I getting bored with Dead Space and Deadly Creatures. We need another game to laugh at now.

Wait, I got one! There was a game that had like > 100.000 preorders, but then it ended up selling a lot less! Haha, ouch, haha, what was it called............Metroid Prime Trilogy! Hahaha...ha....haahhhh. No, that wasn't funny at all T_T



Kantor said:
Kasz216 said:
Carl2291 said:
Even so, reviews are there to speak for whatever quality the game has.

If it can get an 83 despite having some large bugs... It definately has quality.

That would be true if videogame critics had any sort of critical standard.

They don't however... reviews don't count for anything.

Videogame reviews have no credibility unlike reviewers of movies, cars, literature etc.

 

Additionally, videogame reviewers get their income from one source more or less.  Videogame advertising.  Which makes it even less credibile.

If you look at other critics, they are usually paid via advertising from things that are NOT movie advertisements primarly.

Videogame reveiwing is a sham.


  EA bribed reviewers to give it an 83? Wow, they must have had a BAD quarter...

So, you didn't actually read my post then?  It's a pretty simple thing to understand.  Videogame companies aren't going to invest ad revenue in websites that give their games bad reviews.

Videogame advertising is what lets videogame websites run.

Ergo, reviewers aren't going to step on toes on big advertisers.  There is no need for those advertisers to actually "bribe" anyone.

If EA were to pull advertising from a website... that could decrease their revenue by 50%.

It's called "Being nice to your boss/big client."

The Videogame comapnies are both their biggest and really... ONLY clients and the target of reviews.

I mean, have you forgotten the whole Kane & Lynch fiasco already?



Scoobes said:
famousringo said:
KylieDog said:
Also wil people stop this test game nonsense. This is what the Wii gets, they are not tests, these are IT. If you don't like them buy a new console and stop whining about them.

Don't you think that Wii owners would have already bought another console if it really had what they wanted?

You say that, but why do they end up whining on forums so much? It doesn't make any sense. I finally managed to convince my Wii-only console owning friend to stop complaining about the Wii not getting any decent 3rd-party games and play HD games on his Mac (dual boot so he plays via Windows).

I'll spell it out for you.

HD games controlled with conventional game pads aren't what Wii gamers want. If they were, then Wii gamers would have bought an HD console that ships with a conventional game pad.

If people are whining, it is because the product they want isn't on the market. Otherwise they would go out and get it instead of sitting around complaining about how the product they want isn't on the market.



"The worst part about these reviews is they are [subjective]--and their scores often depend on how drunk you got the media at a Street Fighter event."  — Mona Hamilton, Capcom Senior VP of Marketing
*Image indefinitely borrowed from BrainBoxLtd without his consent.

I agree that way too many companies have taken the "core game tests" route on the Wii... hell, even Nintendo themselves have been guilty of going that route as well.

Spoiler: It's called Metroid Prime 3! :P



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.