its worth more than live.

*online play
*text and voice chat
*browser
*bbci player
*home
*vidzone

^ i use all the services and could not do without them, so if there was a charge i would pay. but dunno how much.

uhuh....*rolls eyes* does nobody read the OPs anymore, I said forget live exists. I don't need a comparison because those trollfests "discussions" happen almost daily around here. How much would you pay for PSN if it wasn't a free service.

I have to bring up this thread again.

I apologized for the Netflix thing, but now I wonder why. $4.99/month plan has only 2 hours of instant streaming and only 2 DVDs per month. I other words, stupid plan.

Anyways, ironman, my opinion is not flawed. To be honest I don't even think you answered any of my questions yet.

#1. What makes XBL worth $50/year to do online gaming when pretty much everyone else offers the same exact experience for free and in some cases, also does it on dedicated servers as opposed to P2P?

#2. How is porn sites the same thing as paying for XBL? With a porn site you pay to access content you do not already have. I do not own those porn movies, so I pay to have access to them. If not for that service I would need to go to a store and purchase them.

#3. Movie services like Netflix are also ENTIRELY different. Paying to access movies you do not own is completely different than paying to access something you do in fact already own. Just sit there and think about that for a little while.

You do not pay to cover bandwidth. You implying that if bandwidth was free that netflix would just give us all free access to tons of movies that they obviously need to pay fees to be allowed to host in the first place? Come on now bro, give me a break. That is a HORRIBLE example.


All others things aside though, I really just want an honest answer to question #1. Give me a valid reason as to why it is right to pay $60 to only have half of my game, then be asked to pay more just to access the other half, all while my console's competitors DO NOT ask me to pay?

To make matters worse, why should I be asked to pay for bandwidth when anyone with a good pair of eyes can see and understand full well that the vast amount of advertisement on LIVE, even for those who pay, are there for that very reason, to pay for bandwidth costs.

You kind of dodged it the last time and continued to go on your tirade about why my argument fails and yours succeeds.

I am all fine if someone wants to pay, but in no way is my argument a failure. It is actually a very good argument, not to mention that I have brought up numerous situations that show why.

Ouf man, you didnt read what I was saying it seems, your the flawest person here, I will not bother talking with you anymore since its not possible to have a good discussion with someone soooo stubborn. Think about someting tho: we can sill play free online multiplayer on dreamcast  :P. Wow I guess sega is loosing a lot of cash to support servers right ?

And between since the only thing you wanted was to argue with someone I guess you missed the part where I was saying that I would agree to pay a bit for access to store, demo and stuff.

@ Icyedge,

Really, try reading everything I have been sauiong and then ask me why I am ROTFLMAO.

P2P networks over the web need some sort of a server. Xbox live has servers, those servers connect 360's together, and then turn the server status over to one of the 360 (or the host) Now, lets face it, a P@P network is basically a LAN, can you LAN over the internet? Not without a special program or good amount of network tweaking on everybodies part, XBL streamline the process and makes it a "plug and play" operation.

I didn't want to argue with anybody, but people persist in bringing up failed arguments to defend their right to choose to pay or not.

What you are siuggesting I am doing is  saying that nobody should have to pay for Windows or OSX because Linux exists...

*Shakes head* when you get a clue, we can talk, untill then, go ahead, stay away from my thread (although I know you will be back for another dosage because you people always come back for more.)

Maybe 10 bucks a year it had cross game chat.

Otherwise.... I wouldn't pay anything. Online gaming should be free.

well, in a few months, even that would not be a reason to pay for it since you guys will be getting that feature.

if it was pay-to-use from the start i probably woudn't use it, if now it suddenly was pay-to-use i'd probably pay 15-20 a year at the most

Agreed. I bought the system. I bought the games to play online. I refuse to pay a fee to do what I already paid for.

You didn't buy the service that allows you to play online. Just the game and the option to use the service. Please don't tell me you think paying for a service like XBL or PSN is like paying for your internet connection twice. Becuase I just got done pointing out that it isn't (for the one millionth time)