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elticker on 17 October 2009
wholikeswood said:
elticker said:
wholikeswood said:
elticker said:
1337 Gamer said:
with good marketing it will sell 2.5M+ with no bundling. But if its bundled we could see an easy 4M+. There are probably alot more racing fans that own a 360 now than there were when forza 2 was released.


true im an example i jumped in in summer 2008 and i am getting limited edition of forza 3 though i never played forza 2 and i also bought the microsoft wheel for forza.

i am expecting 3.5mil-6mil without bundling and with bundling i dont know

What have you been smoking that you think 6mil without bundling is in any way feasible?

Living in a dreamworld...


i was not smoking but it may reach it and thats a may but the truth is i just increased expectatoin i would say 3.5-5 mil but then i edited iot to 3.5-6 mil and its possible though highly unlickely to reach 6 mil, no one was expecting halo 3 to sell more 10 million lifetime and now its at 10.25 million.

You just need to think about things rationally. Forza 2 did 1.8mil without bundles. You're saying that Forza 3 can do 6mil without bundles. That's just too large a leap.

As for Halo 3, I don't think anyone ever called a ceiling of under 10mil. The second did ~8.5mil and the third had the benefit over the second of launching as the first iteration on new hardware. 10mil was never anything other than entirely feasible.

ok you win :). 6 million is too much but i expect 3.5 million without bundling and by the way im insane XD



 

 

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ooozxooo on 17 October 2009

not over 2.5 M



elticker on 17 October 2009

and to be on topic about sales flop anything that is equal or around 2mil isnt a sales flop unless its mario,halo, call of duty pokemon etc.......



 

 

wholikeswood on 17 October 2009
damndl0ser said:
wholikeswood said:
damndl0ser said:
huaxiong90 said:
damndl0ser said:
wholikeswood said:

@ damndl0ser:

"F3 has no where near the hype killzone 2 got and will probably outsell it before bundling (maybe by the end of this year)."

The part in brackets is simply impossible. Ultimately though, discussion along these lines is impossible because it's already been leaked that F3 will be bundled.

"I can only imagine what kind of uproar that would happen if M$ decides to bundle this heavily and it ends up outselling GT 5. I would laugh so hard."

Even with extreme bundling, there is no way F3 could ever outsell GT5.

Sure F3 could outsell GT5 if Microsoft decided to bundle it with every 360 from now on out.  Do I think this will happen or that F3 will end up on top?  No....

 

F3 will end up with 2.5m -3.5m without bundles and 4.5-5.5m with bundles.  Gt 5 will probably do 6m-7m

It will do 6-7 million if it lost steam from last gen, and we don't know if that's the case. Last gen GT sales were either around 10 million or more.

Last gen's GT had a 3x bigger console base to go on.

It's the first 20mil or so consumers that will do most of the software purchasing. The PS2's 120mil install base didn't help it sell titles drastically better than when it sat at 20 or 30 mil.

Prologue has already shown that the GT series is as strong as ever. It would be foolish to think that GT5 would only do a couple million more than its demo.

Your right those extra 100 million consoles were just used for dvd players.  SIGH.....

Don't put words into my mouth.

The point is simply that it is the first stratum of a console's install base that picks up the most software. It is these early adopters that propel franchises like Gran Turismo to such sales heights. New consumers do help, but not drastically; they just drag down the attachment ratios.



damndl0ser on 17 October 2009
wholikeswood said:
damndl0ser said:
wholikeswood said:
damndl0ser said:
huaxiong90 said:
damndl0ser said:
wholikeswood said:

@ damndl0ser:

"F3 has no where near the hype killzone 2 got and will probably outsell it before bundling (maybe by the end of this year)."

The part in brackets is simply impossible. Ultimately though, discussion along these lines is impossible because it's already been leaked that F3 will be bundled.

"I can only imagine what kind of uproar that would happen if M$ decides to bundle this heavily and it ends up outselling GT 5. I would laugh so hard."

Even with extreme bundling, there is no way F3 could ever outsell GT5.

Sure F3 could outsell GT5 if Microsoft decided to bundle it with every 360 from now on out.  Do I think this will happen or that F3 will end up on top?  No....

 

F3 will end up with 2.5m -3.5m without bundles and 4.5-5.5m with bundles.  Gt 5 will probably do 6m-7m

It will do 6-7 million if it lost steam from last gen, and we don't know if that's the case. Last gen GT sales were either around 10 million or more.

Last gen's GT had a 3x bigger console base to go on.

It's the first 20mil or so consumers that will do most of the software purchasing. The PS2's 120mil install base didn't help it sell titles drastically better than when it sat at 20 or 30 mil.

Prologue has already shown that the GT series is as strong as ever. It would be foolish to think that GT5 would only do a couple million more than its demo.

Your right those extra 100 million consoles were just used for dvd players.  SIGH.....

Don't put words into my mouth.

The point is simply that it is the first stratum of a console's install base that picks up the most software. It is these early adopters that propel franchises like Gran Turismo to such sales heights. New consumers do help, but not drastically; they just drag down the attachment ratios.

To simply write off 100 million consoles is absurd, I wasn't putting words in your mouth.  I was simply showing you how ignorant your comment looked.

While I do agree that the first 20 million consoles sold will sale more software, its just because they purchased the console first and have a longer time with the console to buy said software.  The attachment ratio for those 120 million consoles proves my point.



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huaxiong90 on 17 October 2009
damndl0ser said:
huaxiong90 said:
damndl0ser said:
wholikeswood said:

@ damndl0ser:

"F3 has no where near the hype killzone 2 got and will probably outsell it before bundling (maybe by the end of this year)."

The part in brackets is simply impossible. Ultimately though, discussion along these lines is impossible because it's already been leaked that F3 will be bundled.

"I can only imagine what kind of uproar that would happen if M$ decides to bundle this heavily and it ends up outselling GT 5. I would laugh so hard."

Even with extreme bundling, there is no way F3 could ever outsell GT5.

Sure F3 could outsell GT5 if Microsoft decided to bundle it with every 360 from now on out.  Do I think this will happen or that F3 will end up on top?  No....

 

F3 will end up with 2.5m -3.5m without bundles and 4.5-5.5m with bundles.  Gt 5 will probably do 6m-7m

It will do 6-7 million if it lost steam from last gen, and we don't know if that's the case. Last gen GT sales were either around 10 million or more.

Last gen's GT had a 3x bigger console base to go on.

GT3 launched in 2001. PS2 launched in 2000. And yet it had a strong opening week. I understand it had quite some time to reach those numbers, but fact is, it's a strong series.



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LF-A on 17 October 2009
damndl0ser said:

To simply write off 100 million consoles is absurd, I wasn't putting words in your mouth.  I was simply showing you how ignorant your comment looked.

While I do agree that the first 20 million consoles sold will sale more software, its just because they purchased the console first and have a longer time with the console to buy said software.  The attachment ratio for those 120 million consoles proves my point.

GT3 sold 14.7 MILLION before PS2 sold 60ish million, so cut the 100million consoles casue its flat out WRONG.

60 million to 120+ million GT4 did 10 million.

 

The dude is in the right, you are in the wrong.



wholikeswood on 17 October 2009
damndl0ser said:
wholikeswood said:
damndl0ser said:
wholikeswood said:
damndl0ser said:
huaxiong90 said:
damndl0ser said:
wholikeswood said:

@ damndl0ser:

"F3 has no where near the hype killzone 2 got and will probably outsell it before bundling (maybe by the end of this year)."

The part in brackets is simply impossible. Ultimately though, discussion along these lines is impossible because it's already been leaked that F3 will be bundled.

"I can only imagine what kind of uproar that would happen if M$ decides to bundle this heavily and it ends up outselling GT 5. I would laugh so hard."

Even with extreme bundling, there is no way F3 could ever outsell GT5.

Sure F3 could outsell GT5 if Microsoft decided to bundle it with every 360 from now on out.  Do I think this will happen or that F3 will end up on top?  No....

 

F3 will end up with 2.5m -3.5m without bundles and 4.5-5.5m with bundles.  Gt 5 will probably do 6m-7m

It will do 6-7 million if it lost steam from last gen, and we don't know if that's the case. Last gen GT sales were either around 10 million or more.

Last gen's GT had a 3x bigger console base to go on.

It's the first 20mil or so consumers that will do most of the software purchasing. The PS2's 120mil install base didn't help it sell titles drastically better than when it sat at 20 or 30 mil.

Prologue has already shown that the GT series is as strong as ever. It would be foolish to think that GT5 would only do a couple million more than its demo.

Your right those extra 100 million consoles were just used for dvd players.  SIGH.....

Don't put words into my mouth.

The point is simply that it is the first stratum of a console's install base that picks up the most software. It is these early adopters that propel franchises like Gran Turismo to such sales heights. New consumers do help, but not drastically; they just drag down the attachment ratios.

To simply write off 100 million consoles is absurd, I wasn't putting words in your mouth.  I was simply showing you how ignorant your comment looked.

While I do agree that the first 20 million consoles sold will sale more software, its just because they purchased the console first and have a longer time with the console to buy said software.  The attachment ratio for those 120 million consoles proves my point.

I wasn't writing them off. I just made a fair observation that the 100mil consoles after the first 20mil didn't dramatically increase the sales of titles like Gran Turismo. Until you can prove that observation to be well off the mark, refrain from accusing it of ignorance.

And I don't understand how the attachment figures prove your point. The sales of Gran Turismo 4 and Final Fantasy XII were inferior to Gran Turismo 3 and Final Fantasy X, despite the larger install base. Looks like I'm right and that the increase in install base did not increase software sales, and instead merely diluted the tie ratios...



elticker on 17 October 2009
wholikeswood said:
damndl0ser said:
wholikeswood said:
damndl0ser said:
wholikeswood said:
damndl0ser said:
huaxiong90 said:
damndl0ser said:
wholikeswood said:

@ damndl0ser:

"F3 has no where near the hype killzone 2 got and will probably outsell it before bundling (maybe by the end of this year)."

The part in brackets is simply impossible. Ultimately though, discussion along these lines is impossible because it's already been leaked that F3 will be bundled.

"I can only imagine what kind of uproar that would happen if M$ decides to bundle this heavily and it ends up outselling GT 5. I would laugh so hard."

Even with extreme bundling, there is no way F3 could ever outsell GT5.

Sure F3 could outsell GT5 if Microsoft decided to bundle it with every 360 from now on out.  Do I think this will happen or that F3 will end up on top?  No....

 

F3 will end up with 2.5m -3.5m without bundles and 4.5-5.5m with bundles.  Gt 5 will probably do 6m-7m

It will do 6-7 million if it lost steam from last gen, and we don't know if that's the case. Last gen GT sales were either around 10 million or more.

Last gen's GT had a 3x bigger console base to go on.

It's the first 20mil or so consumers that will do most of the software purchasing. The PS2's 120mil install base didn't help it sell titles drastically better than when it sat at 20 or 30 mil.

Prologue has already shown that the GT series is as strong as ever. It would be foolish to think that GT5 would only do a couple million more than its demo.

Your right those extra 100 million consoles were just used for dvd players.  SIGH.....

Don't put words into my mouth.

The point is simply that it is the first stratum of a console's install base that picks up the most software. It is these early adopters that propel franchises like Gran Turismo to such sales heights. New consumers do help, but not drastically; they just drag down the attachment ratios.

To simply write off 100 million consoles is absurd, I wasn't putting words in your mouth.  I was simply showing you how ignorant your comment looked.

While I do agree that the first 20 million consoles sold will sale more software, its just because they purchased the console first and have a longer time with the console to buy said software.  The attachment ratio for those 120 million consoles proves my point.

I wasn't writing them off. I just made a fair observation that the 100mil consoles after the first 20mil didn't dramatically increase the sales of titles like Gran Turismo. Until you can prove that observation to be well off the mark, refrain from accusing it of ignorance.

And I don't understand how the attachment figures prove your point. The sales of Gran Turismo 4 and Final Fantasy XII were inferior to Gran Turismo 3 and Final Fantasy X, despite the larger install base. Looks like I'm right and that the increase in install base did not increase software sales, and instead merely diluted the tie ratios...


maybe most of the expanded install base was modded playstation 2s and tahts true cause here where i live i have not seen a playstation 2 which is not modded. while on the other hand piracy has drastically decreased here with the playstation 3 and xbox 360.



 

 

Serious_frusting on 17 October 2009

erm at people saying that i think it will be a flop. o i dont think it will be a flop but by peoples "expectations"

Yes it eill be a flop.

This game will have a reistance 2 effect.

Trust me



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