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Dark Chaos on 19 October 2009
JerCotter7 said:
Dark Chaos said:
Vashyo said:
I'm amazed how people still think microsoft can afford to just cut the price of their console which they recently did and it didn't affect the slim's sales as much as expected...even with natal coming and increasing the costs would it really be wise to cut the price again? I doubt microsoft is in the console-business just to throw away money, no matter how much some people want 360 to beat the ps3 MS has to make money to survive, this should be their priority as a business.

I've understood that their 360 arcade-console is being sold at loss allready, would they really want to go further in the red just like sony did with slim? I doubt sony will cut their console price anymore so there shouldn't be a need to make the current consoles any cheaper than needed for either business they could as well give them for free.

When it comes to games both consoles have some pontential system sellers and the only place ps3 can't catch the 360 is the US.

First of all Sony has lost much more money on their current gen console than MS. Plus with many arcade owners buying overpriced HDD, XBL, Wifi MS is able to make a profit. With decreasing PS2,PSP sales and on top the slim bleeding money from sony, Ms can easily cut the price of the 360.

So just because sony lost more money than MS this gen, that means MS can cut the price? That makes no sense whatsoever. Also no one knows just how much the PS3 slim is losing.

Guess you didnt read my whole post. I also mentioned that MS makes their money from their overpriced accessories, XBL both which SONY doesnt have. Plus with higher software sales and huge growth in XBLA MS is already profitting. Only reason they lost money last quarter was due to the Zune



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Carl on 19 October 2009
Dark Chaos said:
JerCotter7 said:
Dark Chaos said:
Vashyo said:
I'm amazed how people still think microsoft can afford to just cut the price of their console which they recently did and it didn't affect the slim's sales as much as expected...even with natal coming and increasing the costs would it really be wise to cut the price again? I doubt microsoft is in the console-business just to throw away money, no matter how much some people want 360 to beat the ps3 MS has to make money to survive, this should be their priority as a business.

I've understood that their 360 arcade-console is being sold at loss allready, would they really want to go further in the red just like sony did with slim? I doubt sony will cut their console price anymore so there shouldn't be a need to make the current consoles any cheaper than needed for either business they could as well give them for free.

When it comes to games both consoles have some pontential system sellers and the only place ps3 can't catch the 360 is the US.

First of all Sony has lost much more money on their current gen console than MS. Plus with many arcade owners buying overpriced HDD, XBL, Wifi MS is able to make a profit. With decreasing PS2,PSP sales and on top the slim bleeding money from sony, Ms can easily cut the price of the 360.

So just because sony lost more money than MS this gen, that means MS can cut the price? That makes no sense whatsoever. Also no one knows just how much the PS3 slim is losing.

Guess you didnt read my whole post. I also mentioned that MS makes their money from their overpriced accessories, XBL both which SONY doesnt have. Plus with higher software sales and huge growth in XBLA MS is already profitting. Only reason they lost money last quarter was due to the Zune

Im not sure that's true... But can you back that up with links?



                            

criminalminds on 19 October 2009
joeorc said:
JerCotter7 said:
Dark Chaos said:
Vashyo said:
I'm amazed how people still think microsoft can afford to just cut the price of their console which they recently did and it didn't affect the slim's sales as much as expected...even with natal coming and increasing the costs would it really be wise to cut the price again? I doubt microsoft is in the console-business just to throw away money, no matter how much some people want 360 to beat the ps3 MS has to make money to survive, this should be their priority as a business.

I've understood that their 360 arcade-console is being sold at loss allready, would they really want to go further in the red just like sony did with slim? I doubt sony will cut their console price anymore so there shouldn't be a need to make the current consoles any cheaper than needed for either business they could as well give them for free.

When it comes to games both consoles have some pontential system sellers and the only place ps3 can't catch the 360 is the US.

First of all Sony has lost much more money on their current gen console than MS. Plus with many arcade owners buying overpriced HDD, XBL, Wifi MS is able to make a profit. With decreasing PS2,PSP sales and on top the slim bleeding money from sony, Ms can easily cut the price of the 360.

So just because sony lost more money than MS this gen, that means MS can cut the price? That makes no sense whatsoever. Also no one knows just how much the PS3 slim is losing.

also Microsoft has to buy the components from other companies, the hardware still is produced FOR Microsoft, NOT BY Microsoft. that's the problem, Microsoft is a software company not a Hardware company, so there is only so much that Microsoft would be able to cut from the overall cost of the xbox360, because the part's are outsourced.

Same with PS3...

Cell made by IBM

RSX made by Nvidia

HDD made by whomever (Seagate or Hitachi probably).

etc...



joeorc on 19 October 2009
Dark Chaos said:
Vashyo said:
I'm amazed how people still think microsoft can afford to just cut the price of their console which they recently did and it didn't affect the slim's sales as much as expected...even with natal coming and increasing the costs would it really be wise to cut the price again? I doubt microsoft is in the console-business just to throw away money, no matter how much some people want 360 to beat the ps3 MS has to make money to survive, this should be their priority as a business.

I've understood that their 360 arcade-console is being sold at loss allready, would they really want to go further in the red just like sony did with slim? I doubt sony will cut their console price anymore so there shouldn't be a need to make the current consoles any cheaper than needed for either business they could as well give them for free.

When it comes to games both consoles have some pontential system sellers and the only place ps3 can't catch the 360 is the US.

First of all Sony has lost much more money on their current gen console than MS. Plus with many arcade owners buying overpriced HDD, XBL, Wifi MS is able to make a profit. With decreasing PS2,PSP sales and on top the slim bleeding money from sony, Ms can easily cut the price of the 360.

Right now i would not say its Bleeding money, if I was a betting man Sony is prob. breaking even and soon to be getting a profit from the PS3 late next year.

due to the some of the highest cost component's all have had big reduction in their cost's already.

1) cell processor

2) passive heat reduction component's have been reduced in cost

3) a big one:

Sony's Blue Laser Diodes Down to $8 - PS3 and BD Player Price Cuts Soon?

Apr 26, 2007 3:45 PM

Good news for Blu-ray fans. Sony's just announced that they're ramping up blue laser diode production yet again, which will lower the price to just around $8 each by June. What will this mean to you? Well, seeing as the diodes were the reason for the PS3 shortages this fall (and contributed to both the PlayStation's and Blu-ray players' high prices), this huge windfall of diodes could mean lowered prices for all Blu-ray related items.

Some analyst from Wedbush Morgan Securities agrees, saying "Sony is definitely in a position to cut price," and that prices will be lowered once costs hit around $499. So those of you who are on the fence about dumping $599 may want to wait it out just a little longer.

Also, since HD DVD also uses blue laser diodes (a different type, and they just don't call theirs blue), this news could also mean they will ramp up production of theirs as well. – Jason Chen

 

 



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

criminalminds on 19 October 2009

^LOL, article from 2007 and the prices on BD players have barely come down... Hmmmm....



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joeorc on 19 October 2009
criminalminds said:
joeorc said:
JerCotter7 said:
Dark Chaos said:
Vashyo said:
I'm amazed how people still think microsoft can afford to just cut the price of their console which they recently did and it didn't affect the slim's sales as much as expected...even with natal coming and increasing the costs would it really be wise to cut the price again? I doubt microsoft is in the console-business just to throw away money, no matter how much some people want 360 to beat the ps3 MS has to make money to survive, this should be their priority as a business.

I've understood that their 360 arcade-console is being sold at loss allready, would they really want to go further in the red just like sony did with slim? I doubt sony will cut their console price anymore so there shouldn't be a need to make the current consoles any cheaper than needed for either business they could as well give them for free.

When it comes to games both consoles have some pontential system sellers and the only place ps3 can't catch the 360 is the US.

First of all Sony has lost much more money on their current gen console than MS. Plus with many arcade owners buying overpriced HDD, XBL, Wifi MS is able to make a profit. With decreasing PS2,PSP sales and on top the slim bleeding money from sony, Ms can easily cut the price of the 360.

So just because sony lost more money than MS this gen, that means MS can cut the price? That makes no sense whatsoever. Also no one knows just how much the PS3 slim is losing.

also Microsoft has to buy the components from other companies, the hardware still is produced FOR Microsoft, NOT BY Microsoft. that's the problem, Microsoft is a software company not a Hardware company, so there is only so much that Microsoft would be able to cut from the overall cost of the xbox360, because the part's are outsourced.

Same with PS3...

Cell made by IBM

RSX made by Nvidia

HDD made by whomever (Seagate or Hitachi probably).

etc...

ahh, but you see not all the parts are out sourced by sony, unlike Microsoft

Sony owns part of the Cell along with Toshiba, they are along with IBM all involved with the processor of the Cell and its advancement

as for the GPU yea, that is something that as far as i know Sony does not make GPU's so yea of course it would be outside of sony

but with Blu-Ray though sony make's the component's "well at least most of them" some of the CHIP'S on the PCB board may be from other companies.

but the main point is Sony make's some of the component's in the PS3

Microsoft does not for the XBOX360 as far as i know.



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

BMaker11 on 19 October 2009
mario64 said:
The 360 is now dead last every week, even in its own territory.

People thinking PS3 is not taking over are the same people who bought a HDDVD drive for their 360 believing it was the future.

LOL



joeorc on 19 October 2009
criminalminds said:
^LOL, article from 2007 and the prices on BD players have barely come down... Hmmmm....

note you may want to read it again

its about the cost per Diode

that's a big cost reduction. and the cost has since dropped again since 2007

when sharp was paying $28.00 per Diode in 2007 that's a big cost reduction.



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

LF-A on 19 October 2009

Yes MS will sacrafice all profits to beat PS3, some of you are nuts.

By the way PS2 and PSP ehhe.



Dark Chaos on 19 October 2009
LF-A said:
Yes MS will sacrafice all profits to beat PS3, some of you are nuts.

By the way PS2 and PSP ehhe.

Last time I checked MS made an overall profit as a company in the last quarter. So MS can take a small beating to beat the PS3. Also last time I checked the PS2 and PSP is down YOY. Plus the PSP Go looks like  failure and not sure if they will break even on it