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Avinash_Tyagi said:
CGI-Quality said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
CGI-Quality said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
CGI-Quality said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
CGI-Quality said:
XanderZane said:
slowmo said:
Lets argue over which console is going to finish a distant second.........


LOL!! I know, it is kind of funny. PS3 fanboys think the they wil finish 2nd, xBox 360 fanboys thinking their console will in 2nd. In the end, neither console will be FIRST, which is the most important position for console wars.

Nintendo has proven for the last two gens that to TRULY be on top, profit is key, regardless of the marketshare. Btw, why must someone be labeled as a "fanboy" for a belief? There are a LOT of non-one sided people who believe the PS3 will beat the 360 and vice-versa. Just because somebody has an opinion/prediction doesn't mean they are "fanboys".

I swear that term is pathetic...

But Nintendo has the profit lead as well

Clearly you missed the point of the post.

No I merely focused on the one point that I considered relevant, your responded to Xander's comment that neither would be on top (as Wii would be on top), by saying that profit is what decides what is key, and my point was that Nintendo dominates both sales and profits, so again neither Sony nor MS will be on top.

Sony profited the last two gens that they won. Sony has already been on top, even if Nintendo made more money. It deoesn't cancel out what money Sony made and nobody has ever dominated console sales like Sony.

I'd suggest you go through history and then try to come back and tell us that Sony was never on top. I said PROFIT IS KEY, not the company that makes the most profit is the winner. PS1 - Profitable, PS2 - Profitable......what else do they have in common - they stayed WELL ahead of Nintendo, despite Nintendo making more money.

I'm sure most people will get my point. You will probably just continue to argue, even when you're wrong......

Sony lost most if not all of that money on the PS3, so they still came out badly in the profit department

Sony won two generations very well and good, but bad profits are far more dangerous than losing a gen, Sony is in financial trouble, and Nintendo even with two generations out of the top sales spot was never in trouble.

So yeah actually Nintendo wins, because the company that doesn't make money, either dies or is forced to scale back, while the company that does, continues to thrive

Source?

Also, no matter how you slice it, Sony DID win the last two gens, they have been ahead before. That contradicts your earlier statement...

Wrong, I never said they hadn't been ahead before, I said Nintendo is leading in sales, which it is and in profits, which it is, so nice try, but you are still wrong

 

As for profits go check their financial reports, they've lost a ton of money in the last few years

nintendo made the most profit last generation, but also made the least sales.. How does that work? I dont know..



 

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The week of Oct 3rd the PS3 beat 360 worldwide by 83,727. Clearly the PS3 slim and price cut hype isn't what it was in September. It's dying down. At a rate of 83,727 per week, it would take the PS3 89 weeks to overtake the 360. So basically Mid 2011. Assuming that the PS3 can continue their strong performance in Europe/Others and Japan while MS and Nintendo just sits by idly and allows it to happen. We'll have to see if they can keep it up. You'd have to assume that Sony would pick up the pace even more to claim 2nd by the end of 2010. Another PS3 slim price cut won't happen for awhile and at this point further exclusive software isn't going to make a big impact on hardware sales. Except maybe FFXIII and Dragon Quest X (since the Japanese love those series). We're so far into the generation that I'd be surprised if you think what's available now isn't enough to entice you. At this stage, each big name title will cause a small spike but that's about it.



loves2splooge said:
The week of Oct 3rd the PS3 beat 360 worldwide by 83,727. Clearly the PS3 slim and price cut hype isn't what it was in September. It's dying down. At a rate of 83,727 per week, it would take the PS3 89 weeks to overtake the 360. So basically Mid 2011. Assuming that the PS3 can continue their strong performance in Europe/Others and Japan while MS just sits by idly and allows it to happen. We'll have to see if they can keep it up. You'd have to assume that Sony would pick up the pace even more to claim 2nd by the end of 2010. Another PS3 slim price cut won't happen for awhile and at this point further exclusive software isn't going to make a big impact on hardware sales. Except maybe FFXIII and Dragon Quest X (since the Japanese love those series). We're so far into the generation that I'd be surprised if you think what's available now isn't enough to entice you. At this stage, each big name title will cause a small spike but that's about it.

its likely it wont be 85K every week.. Also microsoft clearly IS NOT standing by letting themselves get outsold, look at the 250gb MWF2 bundle, the 250GB HALO bundle.. and ofcourse the $299 360 elite WITH 2 GAMES. Im sure if they keep getting outsold we may even say a $179 or 149 arcade on the market.. I think the 360 is selling about as well as the ps3 in the U.S in terms of consumer sales, but I sense that alot of those sales are coming from the USED market.. the 360 is $139 used at gamestop, im sure many consumers are getting that over the 199 arcade..



 

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CGI-Quality said:
loves2splooge said:
The week of Oct 3rd the PS3 beat 360 worldwide by 83,727. Clearly the PS3 slim and price cut hype isn't what it was in September. It's dying down. At a rate of 83,727 per week, it would take the PS3 89 weeks to overtake the 360. So basically Mid 2011. Assuming that the PS3 can continue their strong performance in Europe/Others and Japan while MS just sits by idly and allows it to happen. We'll have to see if they can keep it up. You'd have to assume that Sony would pick up the pace even more to claim 2nd by the end of 2010. Another PS3 slim price cut won't happen for awhile and at this point further exclusive software isn't going to make a big impact on hardware sales. Except maybe FFXIII and Dragon Quest X (since the Japanese love those series). We're so far into the generation that I'd be surprised if you think what's available now isn't enough to entice you. At this stage, each big name title will cause a small spike but that's about it.

It's a shame that some people don't understand the system selling power of Gran Turismo.

Why would you buy a PS3 for Gran Turismo NOW? The PS3 is not short on software anymore. Chances are if you're not convinced that you should get a PS3 now or soon, you're waiting for another price drop or you just don't want one period. Or maybe you already own a console (360 or Wii) and just don't have the time and money for another game collection. The time issue being a concern for gamers who play games more casually (and when I say "casual player", I don't mean the Wii grannies. I mean the guys who play Madden, NBA2K, CoD4, GTA4, etc. on a casual basis.  They just want something that has EA/2K Sports, GTA and shooters and PS360 delivers those. They don't care about missing exclusives that much) and the money issue is a concern during these tough economic times. It's too late for people to buy a console for just one game. We're past that stage now. New software doesn't drive crap anymore. How could the current software library not convince you yet?



loves2splooge said:

The week of Oct 3rd the PS3 beat 360 worldwide by 83,727. Clearly the PS3 slim and price cut hype isn't what it was in September. It's dying down. At a rate of 83,727 per week, it would take the PS3 89 weeks to overtake the 360. So basically Mid 2011. Assuming that the PS3 can continue their strong performance in Europe/Others and Japan while MS and Nintendo just sits by idly and allows it to happen. We'll have to see if they can keep it up. You'd have to assume that Sony would pick up the pace even more to claim 2nd by the end of 2010. Another PS3 slim price cut won't happen for awhile and at this point further exclusive software isn't going to make a big impact on hardware sales. Except maybe FFXIII and Dragon Quest X (since the Japanese love those series). We're so far into the generation that I'd be surprised if you think what's available now isn't enough to entice you. At this stage, each big name title will cause a small spike but that's about it.

I don't know why people keep quoting weekly averages when considering when console X might outsell console Y, etc.

Games consoles have big seasonal swings, depending upon region, and of course in US / Europe will sell far more over Christmas than other times.

If one console strongly outsells another (as 360 did vs PS3 in US last holidays) it sees a massive boost worth many weeks of 'average' sales.

I'm not saying PS3 will catch the 360, I'm just saying taking a weekly average from a level period of the year isn't the way to consider it.

360 might put more distance between PS3 this holidays, they might be roughly even, or the PS3 might close the gap if it dramatically outsells the 360.

Another factor is games.  Certain titles can drive big spikes, again worth many weeks of normal sales.  Consider when FFXIII hits in Japan, the PS3 could easily eat up weeks and weeks of gap in one week due to that if it shifts HW to a dramatic extent.

People looking at the gap need to watch for when the big titles hit and particularly major holiday periods - those will decide places far more than average sales.



Try to be reasonable... its easier than you think...

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Reasonable said:
loves2splooge said:

The week of Oct 3rd the PS3 beat 360 worldwide by 83,727. Clearly the PS3 slim and price cut hype isn't what it was in September. It's dying down. At a rate of 83,727 per week, it would take the PS3 89 weeks to overtake the 360. So basically Mid 2011. Assuming that the PS3 can continue their strong performance in Europe/Others and Japan while MS and Nintendo just sits by idly and allows it to happen. We'll have to see if they can keep it up. You'd have to assume that Sony would pick up the pace even more to claim 2nd by the end of 2010. Another PS3 slim price cut won't happen for awhile and at this point further exclusive software isn't going to make a big impact on hardware sales. Except maybe FFXIII and Dragon Quest X (since the Japanese love those series). We're so far into the generation that I'd be surprised if you think what's available now isn't enough to entice you. At this stage, each big name title will cause a small spike but that's about it.

I don't know why people keep quoting weekly averages when considering when console X might outsell console Y, etc.

Games consoles have big seasonal swings, depending upon region, and of course in US / Europe will sell far more over Christmas than other times.

If one console strongly outsells another (as 360 did vs PS3 in US last holidays) it sees a massive boost worth many weeks of 'average' sales.

I'm not saying PS3 will catch the 360, I'm just saying taking a weekly average from a level period of the year isn't the way to consider it.

360 might put more distance between PS3 this holidays, they might be roughly even, or the PS3 might close the gap if it dramatically outsells the 360.

Another factor is games.  Certain titles can drive big spikes, again worth many weeks of normal sales.  Consider when FFXIII hits in Japan, the PS3 could easily eat up weeks and weeks of gap in one week due to that if it shifts HW to a dramatic extent.

People looking at the gap need to watch for when the big titles hit and particularly major holiday periods - those will decide places far more than average sales.

What he said!



"...You can't kill ideas with a sword, and you can't sink belief structures with a broadside. You defeat them by making them change..."

- From By Schism Rent Asunder

In fact, since the launch of the PS3, the PS3 always beat the x360.

Look at the hardware from launch at VGC, +3.5 M ahead for the ps3.

And i'm not taking into account that the real worldwide launch is 4 months later.

A great fight, but now that the only trick from microsoft disappears (money), the war is over.

Congrats to them, a vaillant fighter is dead in action.

Sony and nintendo have to pay for the burial



bat-ON said:
In fact, since the launch of the PS3, the PS3 always beat the x360.

Look at the hardware from launch at VGC, +3.5 M ahead for the ps3.

And i'm not taking into account that the real worldwide launch is 4 months later.

A great fight, but now that the only trick from microsoft disappears (money), the war is over.

Congrats to them, a vaillant fighter is dead in action.

Sony and nintendo have to pay for the burial

LOL...pure comedy.



"...You can't kill ideas with a sword, and you can't sink belief structures with a broadside. You defeat them by making them change..."

- From By Schism Rent Asunder

A lot of people are banking on "last throw of the dice".... oops slim sales coming from Gran turismos lanch, like many others believe surely it's already far too late in to this gen to expect ONE GAME to turn around a consoles fortunes.

If theres sony fans out there who still have not bought a slim or fat because GT 5 is not here yet then surely by now they must be bored out of their minds with all the waiting they have been doing.



Who would pay $300 to play a racing game? If thats the case buy Forza 3, its the better game.