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Carl on 08 October 2009
tuscaniman said:
Comment on the Elite price cut. That was something that was long in the making and Microsoft was waiting for Sony to reveal the slim and pricing before doing this. The arcade is actually $199 not $150 and I wouldn't really consider the $299 a price cut. All Microsoft did was replace the 60 gig pro with a 120 gig Elite. The price cut is still coming to the 360 but we won't see it until Microsoft has to do it. I would predict holiday season of 2010 before Natal to catch some attention. Possibly the $199 price point? Most likely $249 in my opinion, but I'm 99% sure the Elite will be dropped in price again by holidays of next year. My guess is next holiday season we will see : $199 arcade, $249 elite, and $299 arcade bundled with Natal.

Red- Eek, i wasn't too sure as i live in the UK... But thanks for confirming that.

Green- That one we agree on.



                            

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Carl on 08 October 2009
tuscaniman said:
I'm glad Japan is saying hi to me. Look at Japan's total sales. Do you really think Tekken 6 is gonna be the game to push PS3 towards second place? 100,000 system total boost by Tekken, 200,000 maybe? That won't make a dent in 7 million.

100k added onto the other 200k from NA/Others would make a pretty big dent in 360 sales, yes. And that isn't counting whatever boost the Tekken bundle will give to those regions too.



                            

Ronster316 on 08 October 2009
supercat said:
Ok, well, it's been another week and guess what? The PS3 got another .1% of marketshare.

The PS3 continues to edge up in marketshare, conquering the planet at a slow pace lol.




Very pedestrian pace.

It won't last.

2009 is sonys year IMO in terms of hardware sales. (thanx to them desperately bringing the launch date of the slim forward by about 2 years)

2010 Microsoft will have sony on the ropes, 2011 sony will have already been on the canvas 2 times, and in 2012-2013 microsoft will deliver the knockout blow.

 



tuscaniman on 08 October 2009

I think you missed my point entirely on the Tekken subject. Tekken will boost sales by about 10,000 in NA. Nobody in NA is buying a console for Tekken, and if by some miracle they are Tekken is available for the 360 as well. The reason Tekken was successful in the past in NA is because arcades were big 10 years ago. The ability to take the arcade to your living room or bedroom was huge. Arcades are almost obsolete here therefore the excitement and competition of going to the local arcade to prove yourself against someone in front of a group of spectators doesn't exist anymore. Therefore you don't get that feeling at home when you pop that game in. Yes its a fun game that I will contemplate purchasing but in the end Tekken will not sell that well. Don't forget MW2 is releasing about the same time as Tekken. Tekken will be lost in the shuffle pretty quickly. MW2 is just too huge.



Carl on 08 October 2009
Ronster316 said:
Carl2291 said:
loves2splooge said:
The PS3 introduced a new redesign AND introduced a much more impressive price cut and yet they can barely stay over 360 in Americas after 1 month (week of oct 3rd's sales figures are very close now). That is not a good sign.

Worldwide, you'd think that the PS3 would catch up eventually but the MS has more options they can consider at this point to stay competitive. The 360 price cut doesn't even hold a candle to the PS3 price cut so MS has a lot more room to initiate further cuts. The entry cost for a PS3 is now $300, instead of $400 and you get 50% more HD space AND a slim redesign added bonus (80 to 120) whereas the entry cost for a 360 is still $300 (you just have double the hard drive space for that price now). And no the Arcade doesn't count because it's a very barebones system that's only good for offline. Sony really went all-out with this huge price cut and since their system costs more to make than a 360 (Blu-Ray, Wi-Fi, Cell processor is more expensive), we know Sony is bleeding much more than Microsoft is on their hardware. Heck MS might not even be bleeding at all on hardware anymore. Microsoft can easily counter with a $50 price cut if they really wanted to. In fact they should. It would take the wind out of the PS3's sails in Europe/Others, the swing region warzone. Whatever they do, MS is not just going to sit there while Sony eats away at their lead in Europe/Others. Japan is already lost (though they shouldn't give up on Japan. They improved quite a bit from last gen), America is already in the bag so you know Europe/Others will be a priority for them. That's where the race will be won or lost.

With MS having deeper pockets and cheaper hardware, red inked Sony doesn't want to play the price slashing game with them. MS can eat the losses no problem whereas Sony's shareholders would be calling for their head if they bled the company further. Sony really made a big desperation move releasing a slim with 50% more HD space at $100 off.

Red- It is the PS3's weakest market and the 360's strongest market. Many were expecting it to be below the 360 there by week 2... And it has done very well staying above 360 thus far.

Orange- Sony also still have a bunch of options.

Green- Yes it does count. It get's counted in sales so it also gets counted in "analysis". 360 entry price is $150.

Blue- They already did try counter with a pricecut, and it didn't work. The next 360 pricecut wont arrive until Natal launches. By that time PS3 manufacturing costs will likely be lower. Hey, guess what... We might even see another small PS3 pricecut or new SKU.

Pink- They dont need to play the price slashing game. They have huge momentum right now and will outsell the 360 by a LOT for the rest of the year. Going into next year Sony has it's biggest ip: Gran Turismo 5 and a LOAD of other big games that will increase hardware both slightly and by a lot. PS3 will consistantly outsell 360 until Natal launch, which is where we will see the next 360 pricecut.


As i said before............ Gran turismo 5= BIG hardware boost.

God of War 3= Boost yes........ but only a small one like Fable II's boost (especially considering that Fable II has already caught GOW up in terms of sales after only ONE year)

As for the rest............ Heavy Rain? (A Shenmue wannabe and we all unfortunately know how poorly Shenmue I & II sold)

MAG?= wont do anything

Ratchet and clank= Good boost but nothing to write home about

Basically any of the sony games (apart from GT 5) above could easily be outsold by the likes of Fable III, Crackdown 2 or Splinter cell: Conviction.

Red- A boost is a boost, it will be pretty substantial too. It will get a lot of media attention for obvious reasons... And it is Sony's game that seem's to cater mainly to the American audience. It will give a good boost in NA, and a small one in Others.

Green- No, no it isn't. The game is already getting a fuck load of media attention and Sony seem to be hyping it up to be the next big thing. While it won't sell much... It could still provide a boost.

Blue- MAG already has 51,000 preorders in NA alone with 16 week's to go until release. Don't count it out just yet...

Pink- It's not about "outselling". It's about the HW boost that game will bring. And i could say the exact same thing about any of the Sony games easily outselling Fable 3, Crackdown 2 or Splinter Cell: Conviction.

By the way, if LBP and KZ2 have sold poorly... Why do you mention Crackdown 2 when the original "only" managed 1.5 Million sales?



                            

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s.l.o.w. on 08 October 2009

ps3 games vs xbox 360 games exclusives

Best of ps3 2006 - 2009

Heavenly Sword - 8.2

inFAMOUS - 8.9

Kill Zone 2 - 9.1

LittleBigPlanet - 9.3

Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots - 9.4

Uncharted: Drake's Fortune - 9.0

Uncharted 2: Among Thieves - not rated

Demon Souls - 9.1

Ratchet and Clank: Tools of Destruction - 9.0

Ratchet and Clank Future: A Crack in Time - not rated

Resistance: Fall of Man - 8.7

Resistance 2 - 8.8


vs

Best of xbox 360 2005 - 2009

Fable II - 8.8

Forza Motorsport 2 - 8.7

Forza Motorsport 3 - not rated

Gears of war - 9.2

Gears of War 2 - 9.1

Halo 3 - 8.9

Halo 3: ODST - 8.1

Lost Odyssey - 8.2

Left 4 Dead - 8.8

Left 4 Dead 2 - not rated

Mass Effect - 9.1

magna carta 2 - not rated

http//www.gamestats.com/

...you be the judge...



ps3 xbox 360

Price $299 $299

Color Black Black

Hard Disk Size 120GB 120GB

USB Ports 2 3

WiFi Built-In $99 Add On

Disc Drive Blu-ray/DVD/CD DVD/CD

HDMI Yes, no cable included Yes, no cable included

Bluetooth Yes No

Controllers Included One One

Last Generation
Backwards Compatibility No Partial

Online Play Free $50 a year

Dimensions 290 × 65 × 290 mm 310 x 80 x 260 mm

Weight 3.2 kg 3.5 kg

web browser yes no

http://kotaku.com/5346777/ps3-slim-vs-xbox-360-elite-tale-of-the-tape



supercat on 08 October 2009
Ronster316 said:
supercat said:
Ok, well, it's been another week and guess what? The PS3 got another .1% of marketshare.

The PS3 continues to edge up in marketshare, conquering the planet at a slow pace lol.




Very pedestrian pace.

It won't last.

2009 is sonys year IMO in terms of hardware sales. (thanx to them desperately bringing the launch date of the slim forward by about 2 years)

2010 Microsoft will have sony on the ropes, 2011 sony will have already been on the canvas 2 times, and in 2012-2013 microsoft will deliver the knockout blow.

 

Why?  The numbers are in Sony's favor.....

 

Blu-ray gets more and more popular all the time

Sony is adding some very profitable projects to its fold like the PSPgo, and isn't wasting time with big huge make or break ones (that are at its mid-life like MS is doing with Natal). 

And with the Slim, they cut the price to manufacture the PS3 probably by $50, while both got a $100 price cut.  So, in essense Sony has more room to make a future price cut, if need be b/c MS hasn't achieved a similar manufacturing efficiency.

And to top it off, as sony's market share grows it will be able to command more advertising $$$ and sell more and more SW, eventually getting to the point where it tops MS in software long before they beat em on the HW side.  

 

Sorry, but I wouldn't put your hopes on the 360 , MS has mismanaged that thing from the begining w/ the RROD and now Natal which just does not look like it will be worth the huge investment that MS will have to make for the project- not just R&D but paying the developers off-as well as all the money needed to produce , ship, and market the natal product.  MS would have made a much better investment with its $$$$ by putting more into its online services or by investing in more games to just shove Sony out of the market but they really took the stupid approach and they'll get what they deserve for the idiocy. 

Sorry, i'm blunt but try to be honest.



Carl on 08 October 2009
tuscaniman said:
I think you missed my point entirely on the Tekken subject. Tekken will boost sales by about 10,000 in NA. Nobody in NA is buying a console for Tekken, and if by some miracle they are Tekken is available for the 360 as well. The reason Tekken was successful in the past in NA is because arcades were big 10 years ago. The ability to take the arcade to your living room or bedroom was huge. Arcades are almost obsolete here therefore the excitement and competition of going to the local arcade to prove yourself against someone in front of a group of spectators doesn't exist anymore. Therefore you don't get that feeling at home when you pop that game in. Yes its a fun game that I will contemplate purchasing but in the end Tekken will not sell that well. Don't forget MW2 is releasing about the same time as Tekken. Tekken will be lost in the shuffle pretty quickly. MW2 is just too huge.

Tekken already has 119,000 preorders on PS3 in NA with 4 weeks left to release. ~40,000 more than the 360 version.

It will sell a lot.

Also, can you please explain how Street Fighter 4 has sold so well, if the arcade's aren't successful anymore?



                            

Carl on 09 October 2009
s.l.o.w. said:
ps3 games vs xbox 360 games exclusives

Best of ps3 2006 - 2009

Heavenly Sword - 8.2

inFAMOUS - 8.9

Kill Zone 2 - 9.1

LittleBigPlanet - 9.3

Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots - 9.4

Uncharted: Drake's Fortune - 9.0

Uncharted 2: Among Thieves - not rated

Demon Souls - 9.1

Ratchet and Clank: Tools of Destruction - 9.0

Ratchet and Clank Future: A Crack in Time - not rated

Resistance: Fall of Man - 8.7

Resistance 2 - 8.8


vs

Best of xbox 360 2005 - 2009

Fable II - 8.8

Forza Motorsport 2 - 8.7

Forza Motorsport 3 - not rated

Gears of war - 9.2

Gears of War 2 - 9.1

Halo 3 - 8.9

Halo 3: ODST - 8.1

Lost Odyssey - 8.2

Left 4 Dead - 8.8

Left 4 Dead 2 - not rated

Mass Effect - 9.1

magna carta 2 - not rated

http//www.gamestats.com/

...you be the judge...

I just crossed out Multiplats in the games part for you.



                            

Metallicube on 09 October 2009

I am really surprised how many people still think the PS3 has a prayer of catching the 360.. I mean I know there tends to be a Sony love fest at this site but come on people, use a little common sense..

Let's put this in perspective. 360 currently has a 7.3 million lead roughly.. Even if the Xbox 360 never sold a SINGLE CONSOLE from this point on, it could realistically still take at least another year to catch it. Now lets be extremely generous here and say the PS3 was to outsell the Xbox 360 by a whopping 500k every single month (which is highly unlikely considering the 360 outsells the PS3 on a monthly basis more than the other way around), it would take about a year and a half to catch the 360.

And then what happens if 360 starts outselling the PS3 in monthly sales again (which is probably what will happen at some point)? Then PS3 has even MORE ground to make up with more time shaved off its lifespan to the task gets more and more difficult. PS3 will close some of the gap, there's little doubt of this. But best case scenario for the PS3, it inches towards a virtual tie with the Xbox 360 or with a gap similar to the Gamecube-Xbox gap of 3 million. Too many stars have to be aligned for Sony to pull out this come back. Games like FFXIII and God of War III need to be freakin bombshells and PS3 needs to outsell 360 almost every single week from here on out, and by a pretty significant amount. But even then it's quite a long shot...

Face it, a console coming out the gate at $600, and Sony coupling this with arrogant statements like "We could launch the PS3 with no games and people would still buy it," deserves nothing more than a humbling 3rd place finish IMO.

If you enjoy PS3, that's cool. It has a lot of great games, and I'm not trying to take away from that. Hell, my favorite console last gen was a 3rd place console (Gamecube). What gets to me though is these hardcore Sony fans acting all high and mighty and claiming the PS3 is going to miraculously kick the Wii and 360's ass from here on out. It's just unrealistic.