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CGI-Quality said:
jesus kung fu magic said:
CGI-Quality said:
jesus kung fu magic said:
Carl2291 said:
jesus kung fu magic said:

@carl

You fail to realize that consequence and risk are two different things......the ps3 and 360 are a natural progression of console systems of years past , the wii isnt. It tried to innovate how we play console games , while the 360/ps3 only focused on adding a new shiny coat of paint in the graphics department with ZERO innovation to gaming.

 

Sony did not risk for the sake of innovation......they are just paying the consequenses of their poor business decisions thats it.

Maybe i've got mixed up on it then, but are you saying that losing $200 per console on launch... Wasn't a risk to Sony or PlayStation?

And i dont get why everyone keeps bringing up innovation.

As i said in this post, Jack never mentioned innovation. He just said Sony take more risks and still deliver. Which is true.

Risks are decisions made with unforseen outcomes, whether good or bad.

We all know what would happen to a console priced at $600, therefore it wasnt a forseen outcome and therefore it is not a risk.

 

We know NOW what would happen, although there have been past consoles in the $600-700 price range that saw NO WHERE NEAR the sales the PS3 did.

But the PS3 will see NO WHERE NEAR the sales the ps2/1 and along with weaking the brand name it definetely was a consequence and a big one at that.

Therefore proving Carl's point of it being a BIG risk.

No that isnt proving anything...except what we've already known $600 systems wont sell, making sony's decision a poor business decision instead of a risk.



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LoL. Let's see, the Wii was the biggest "change up" pitch since the original NES. It is almost taken for granted that Wii is a success now but look back at that gamespot parody article they never expected Nintendo to be where they're at now in the market.

As for risk, lets see, Sony releases the same controller 3 gens in a row, talk about playing it safe. And what prior controller did they base that design on?

If you are talking financial risk then he has a point; But why is this guy asking Nintendo to make boneheaded business decisions? Just the other day Nintendo was declared the best business in the world, spread sheets don't lie.



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If the Wii sells more than 20 million in 2009 (as defined above) Arius Dion wins and gets to control Slimebeast's sig for 1 month.

All three companies took risk

Wiifit, wiimote was a major risk, damn the name " Wii" was ridiculed at first, that was a huge risk.


Sony tried to bring the most  powerful console, adding blu-ray which as quite expensive and released a $600 console.

MS took major risk by releasing an unfinished console to the market so they can come out first, it payed off well, but that was very risky.

So please ladies and Gents, give it a rest on the redundant argument which happen on a daily basis around here.



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Carl2291 said:
jesus kung fu magic said:
CGI-Quality said:
jesus kung fu magic said:

Risks are decisions made with unforseen outcomes, whether good or bad.

We all know what would happen to a console priced at $600, therefore it wasnt a forseen outcome and therefore it is not a risk.

 

We know NOW what would happen, although there have been past consoles in the $600-700 price range that saw NO WHERE NEAR the sales the PS3 did.

But the PS3 will see NO WHERE NEAR the sales the ps2/1 and along with weaking the brand name it definetely was a consequence and a big one at that.

PS2, no chance. PS1... There is still a chance of coming near IMO.

PS3 is selling at a faster rate than PS1 was, and PS3 is supposed to be settling out at +200k sales a week while it is $300.

If it can have sales of 200k at this price, it will do wonders at $250 or $199. I'd say 80 Million is possible, maybe even higher.

But that is for a different topic

Isn't that if one doesn't take into account the staggered launches?

And, I think the PS3 would have to maintain 200k a week for the next 7-8 years to reach the PS1.



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appolose said:
Carl2291 said:
jesus kung fu magic said:
CGI-Quality said:
jesus kung fu magic said:

Risks are decisions made with unforseen outcomes, whether good or bad.

We all know what would happen to a console priced at $600, therefore it wasnt a forseen outcome and therefore it is not a risk.

 

We know NOW what would happen, although there have been past consoles in the $600-700 price range that saw NO WHERE NEAR the sales the PS3 did.

But the PS3 will see NO WHERE NEAR the sales the ps2/1 and along with weaking the brand name it definetely was a consequence and a big one at that.

PS2, no chance. PS1... There is still a chance of coming near IMO.

PS3 is selling at a faster rate than PS1 was, and PS3 is supposed to be settling out at +200k sales a week while it is $300.

If it can have sales of 200k at this price, it will do wonders at $250 or $199. I'd say 80 Million is possible, maybe even higher.

But that is for a different topic

Isn't that if one doesn't take into account the staggered launches?

And, I think the PS3 would have to maintain 200k a week for the next 7-8 years to reach the PS1.

I must resist and stay on topic.



                            

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CGI-Quality said:
cdude1034 said:
CGI-Quality said:
cdude1034 said:
I'm confused, how is a console based completely on motion controls not riskier than anything Sony has ever done?

Don't feel like quoting, but putting big money into either novel or old IP's isn't a 'risk', it's a cost of doing business.

If Sony doesn't talk trash, how will anyone continue to respect them? Some companies can let the results do the talking. Others rely on their mouths.

From the looks and talk of Sony's games, I'd say their games do PLENTY of talking...

Now if only there were the sales to back that up...

You can say your games are the best all you want, but if nobody buys them (or another likely scenario, there aren't many people TO buy them), it doesn't matter.

Interesting, how'd you draw that ridiculous conclusion?

Also, I see you're one of those: "sales=quality" people. Not sure you're the right person to debate with....

No, not really, but you yourself said the games do the talking. What is their voice if not the people who buy them? One person can say they think X is the best game ever, and five others can say they hate it, and of course the reverse.

All talk does is get us nowhere. There has to be a way to qualitatively compare games, and reviews (see: opinions) are not a valid way of doing so.

Ridiculous? Please, kindly take your preconcieved notions and throw them out before bashing someone else's thoughts.



 

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CGI-Quality said:
jesus kung fu magic said:
CGI-Quality said:
jesus kung fu magic said:
CGI-Quality said:
jesus kung fu magic said:
Carl2291 said:
jesus kung fu magic said:

@carl

You fail to realize that consequence and risk are two different things......the ps3 and 360 are a natural progression of console systems of years past , the wii isnt. It tried to innovate how we play console games , while the 360/ps3 only focused on adding a new shiny coat of paint in the graphics department with ZERO innovation to gaming.

 

Sony did not risk for the sake of innovation......they are just paying the consequenses of their poor business decisions thats it.

Maybe i've got mixed up on it then, but are you saying that losing $200 per console on launch... Wasn't a risk to Sony or PlayStation?

And i dont get why everyone keeps bringing up innovation.

As i said in this post, Jack never mentioned innovation. He just said Sony take more risks and still deliver. Which is true.

Risks are decisions made with unforseen outcomes, whether good or bad.

We all know what would happen to a console priced at $600, therefore it wasnt a forseen outcome and therefore it is not a risk.

 

We know NOW what would happen, although there have been past consoles in the $600-700 price range that saw NO WHERE NEAR the sales the PS3 did.

But the PS3 will see NO WHERE NEAR the sales the ps2/1 and along with weaking the brand name it definetely was a consequence and a big one at that.

Therefore proving Carl's point of it being a BIG risk.

No that isnt proving anything...except what we've already known $600 systems wont sell, making sony's decision a poor business decision instead of a risk.

Poor business decisions still involve taking risks. It doesn't make the reality of it any different, just the outcome. Some risks have consequences and rewards

Case in point: Wii-Mote = risk that was a success! $600 console (multi-media hub pushing a new media) = A risk with severe consequences. Just because it didn't go in their favor =/= it wasn't a risk.

 

Which goes back to a previous post , we knew the outcome of a $600 system would only be hurting the company.....its not a risk if we already know the outcome already.



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Carl2291 said:
appolose said:
Carl2291 said:
jesus kung fu magic said:
CGI-Quality said:
jesus kung fu magic said:

Risks are decisions made with unforseen outcomes, whether good or bad.

We all know what would happen to a console priced at $600, therefore it wasnt a forseen outcome and therefore it is not a risk.

 

We know NOW what would happen, although there have been past consoles in the $600-700 price range that saw NO WHERE NEAR the sales the PS3 did.

But the PS3 will see NO WHERE NEAR the sales the ps2/1 and along with weaking the brand name it definetely was a consequence and a big one at that.

PS2, no chance. PS1... There is still a chance of coming near IMO.

PS3 is selling at a faster rate than PS1 was, and PS3 is supposed to be settling out at +200k sales a week while it is $300.

If it can have sales of 200k at this price, it will do wonders at $250 or $199. I'd say 80 Million is possible, maybe even higher.

But that is for a different topic

Isn't that if one doesn't take into account the staggered launches?

And, I think the PS3 would have to maintain 200k a week for the next 7-8 years to reach the PS1.

I must resist and stay on topic.

Is it?  I don't know.  The J man thought it was on topic, apparently, so I just answered for him.

But, you have to admit, surely, that to attain PS1 numbers is practically impossible at this point, right?



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This whole "who takes more risks" contest is kind of ridiculous. How is taking financial risks a good thing? We're not talking about innovation here (which is often good, and something Nintendo does more than anyone).

Looking at noname2200's post, it looks to me like comparing 2 people that want to cross the street - one person looks both ways before crossing (Nintendo), while the other doesn't (Sony). This is probably a bit harsh on Sony, I'm sure both companies have their own ways of predicting what the market wants, Sony just ended up with the wrong assumptions this round (as did Nintendo for 2008's holiday lineup).


As for the people claiming that "arrogant comments like these are what bring them down," it really isn't. Yamauchi or Kutaragi's crazy comments aren't what brought them down, it was their business decisions - bad 3rd party relations, or building an $800 console.



noname2200 said:
They took the risk that the market insisted on Blu-Ray now.

They took the risk that tilt controls would entice the populace.

They took the risk that the market is willing to support a purely DD handheld.

They took the risk that third-parties would continue to make exclusives for their system without extensive moneyhatting.

They took the risk that their first and second party studios could carry their systems single-handedly.

They took the risk of consumers getting a second job just to buy their system.

They took the risk that the rest of the corporation was willing to subsidize them even if they lost all the money they've assembled in the past decade.

They're about to take the risk that people will want to pay for and play with the Wand.

Nintendo, by contrast, does extensive research about almost every aspect of gaming and gamers before they commit to any move. This includes the DS and the Wii. They also take moves to minimize any harm that results if they read the market incorrectly.



No, I'd say he's being pretty accurate.

You're right. Not only is all of that ridiculously risky, it's also reckless. In that context he's right, but that just makes seem like a company that doesn't know what they're doing.



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