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Sorry if somebody already wrote it: maybe Sony considers itself daring as it was ready to sacrifice PS3 profitability on HW for 3 years to make it help BD launch and victory in the format war...
IDK if in the same speech, but they gave their compliments to MS and Nintendo too, maybe they are entering a phase of cosmic love...



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CGI-Quality said:
jesus kung fu magic said:
Carl2291 said:
jesus kung fu magic said:

@carl

You fail to realize that consequence and risk are two different things......the ps3 and 360 are a natural progression of console systems of years past , the wii isnt. It tried to innovate how we play console games , while the 360/ps3 only focused on adding a new shiny coat of paint in the graphics department with ZERO innovation to gaming.

 

Sony did not risk for the sake of innovation......they are just paying the consequenses of their poor business decisions thats it.

Maybe i've got mixed up on it then, but are you saying that losing $200 per console on launch... Wasn't a risk to Sony or PlayStation?

And i dont get why everyone keeps bringing up innovation.

As i said in this post, Jack never mentioned innovation. He just said Sony take more risks and still deliver. Which is true.

Risks are decisions made with unforseen outcomes, whether good or bad.

We all know what would happen to a console priced at $600, therefore it wasnt a forseen outcome and therefore it is not a risk.

 

We know NOW what would happen, although there have been past consoles in the $600-700 price range that saw NO WHERE NEAR the sales the PS3 did.

But the PS3 will see NO WHERE NEAR the sales the ps2/1 and along with weaking the brand name it definetely was a consequence and a big one at that.



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There is nothing in this article related to Sony being 'arrogant'. It's laughable in every possible way to even suggest it.

Sony the company does take 'more' risks than Nintendo the company. The fact that some people are debating this is hilarious. The two largest risks that Nintendo has taken in the past two generations were (Beefy Specs of the Gamecube and Motion Controls of the Wii).

Other than that, What truly 'risky' behavior has Nintendo engaged in?





Sony has introduced a new storage medium in every new console (PS1 CD, PS2 DVD, PS3 Blu Ray).

Sony has constantly sold systems at a loss. (Somehow I doubt that 250$ Wii with essentially Gamecube guts was coming at a loss for Nintendo).

Sony has constantly pumped out new First Party IPs and really has rarely fallen back on just one singular franchise generation after generation. Which is why people struggle identifying a 'Sony Mascot'. This is a risky strategy in many regards because it relies on a wide array of good new games being constantly created. (Nintendo on the other hand you can always expect a Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart, 7 other Mario related games).

Sony is moving forward with 3D gaming and exploring future avenues involved with it.

Sony is moving forward with motion controls (Which albeit a smaller risk than Nintendo's original risk, is still a risk).

Sony (Along with MS) has pushed the HD envelope in an environment that wasn't prepared or totally ready for it. This is risky. (Again, Nintendo played it 'safe' and remains the only standard definition console).

Sony constantly robs Peter to pay Paul. They will take plenty of risks on games, price cuts, etc even at the detriment of other areas of their business.




I can only laugh at the people trying to spin this as arrogance as Sony. It's actually one of the more factual things you could possibly read from them. Now Sony being more or less Risky than Microsoft might actually be a compelling argument.



Call me when Sony has the balls to take some real risks, like releasing a purple lunchbox console that doesn't even use regular DVDs..



MaxwellGT2000 said:
Carl2291 said:
Sony launched the PS3 at $600.

PS3 at the time took ~$800 to make.

Losing $200 per console is a pretty big risk...

It would help your arguement if he was talking about financial risk and not risks to market to the masses.

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Crazy stuff but I'm really done with going "ZOMG they said that!" cause that's how it's always worked, Sony boasts, MS boasts, and Nintendo boasts, just the way each does it is different and it's old now :

The OP isn't complaining about that. The OP is complaining because Sony said they take more risks, only that one part "got to him".

He highlighted "we're willing to take a little bit more risk than a competitor like Nintendo".



                            

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The Ghost of RubangB said:
Call me when Sony has the balls to take some real risks, like releasing a purple lunchbox console that doesn't even use regular DVDs..

How about a console that supports a (then obscure) format called Blu-ray that was seen as too expensive, not enough of a leap over DVD, and a failure in comparison to HD-DVD?



The Ghost of RubangB said:
Nintendo took the risk of making a $90 exercise/balance game, and having it be their biggest announcement at E3.

Nintendo is in a whole 'nother dimension of risky business.

This, right here.

Also, given that those dozens of professional analysts predicted Sony to win this generation, I'd say that that's another good indication of the risk Nintendo took during this gen, as opposed to Sony.



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noname2200 said:
They took the risk that the market insisted on Blu-Ray now.

They took the risk that tilt controls would entice the populace.

They took the risk that the market is willing to support a purely DD handheld.

They took the risk that third-parties would continue to make exclusives for their system without extensive moneyhatting.

They took the risk that their first and second party studios could carry their systems single-handedly.

They took the risk of consumers getting a second job just to buy their system.

They took the risk that the rest of the corporation was willing to subsidize them even if they lost all the money they've assembled in the past decade.

They're about to take the risk that people will want to pay for and play with the Wand.

Nintendo, by contrast, does extensive research about almost every aspect of gaming and gamers before they commit to any move. This includes the DS and the Wii. They also take moves to minimize any harm that results if they read the market incorrectly.



No, I'd say he's being pretty accurate.

Nintendo has done that for 13 years. And will continue to do it for the remainder of the Wii's lifetime.

Both yes and no. Just look at the sales of games with Mario in the title and it can hardly be called a risk anymore =p Nintendo's 1st party titles stopped being risky business years ago. "Everyone" will buy a new Mario or Zelda.

 

And to this Jesus dude; no innovation? Blu-Ray? Cell processor? $600 price tag. Even though technical and financial aspects, they are still innovations/risks(price tag). Also some of their games are different than other games as well. MAG has 256 players, LBP focuses heavily on user creation, etc... A "new way" to control games is not the only way to innovate.

Sony only copies a lot of you say. Well, I can say something like that too! Look how easy it is:

"Nintendo took light gun games, dance dance revolution and EyeToy and put them together. They clearly only focused on adding a new shiny coat of paint in the graphics department and added some small motion elements to their controllers.

Nintendo did not risk for the sake of innovation. Actually they did not risk that much at all. A cheap piece of hardware at an "expensive" price, expensive and a lot of mandatory extra equipment, cheap dev costs on games.... Now, they are just riding on the waves of the novelty factor."

Now, to be clear, I love Nintendo and what I wrote earlier is not my opinion! I'm not that much of a fan of the Wii, but it is OK. But I certainly know how Nintendo makes their money. *looks at my not-played-in-over-a-year, dust collecting Wii with 4 motes, 4 nunchucks, 4 classic controllers, 30+ games on the VC and 8 retail games.*

 

Actually, only thing Nintendo is risking is losing all their core gamers.. They have catered their old school fanbase extremely bad this generation. That is actually an enormous risk !



CGI-Quality said:
cdude1034 said:
I'm confused, how is a console based completely on motion controls not riskier than anything Sony has ever done?

Don't feel like quoting, but putting big money into either novel or old IP's isn't a 'risk', it's a cost of doing business.

If Sony doesn't talk trash, how will anyone continue to respect them? Some companies can let the results do the talking. Others rely on their mouths.

From the looks and talk of Sony's games, I'd say their games do PLENTY of talking...

Now if only there were the sales to back that up...

You can say your games are the best all you want, but if nobody buys them (or another likely scenario, there aren't many people TO buy them), it doesn't matter.



 

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jesus kung fu magic said:
CGI-Quality said:
jesus kung fu magic said:

Risks are decisions made with unforseen outcomes, whether good or bad.

We all know what would happen to a console priced at $600, therefore it wasnt a forseen outcome and therefore it is not a risk.

 

We know NOW what would happen, although there have been past consoles in the $600-700 price range that saw NO WHERE NEAR the sales the PS3 did.

But the PS3 will see NO WHERE NEAR the sales the ps2/1 and along with weaking the brand name it definetely was a consequence and a big one at that.

PS2, no chance. PS1... There is still a chance of coming near IMO.

PS3 is selling at a faster rate than PS1 was, and PS3 is supposed to be settling out at +200k sales a week while it is $300.

If it can have sales of 200k at this price, it will do wonders at $250 or $199. I'd say 80 Million is possible, maybe even higher.

But that is for a different topic