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RageBot said:
themanwithnoname said:
RageBot said:
huaxiong90 said:
reaver_x said:
is this game story driven??? b/c thats the deciding factor for me.

One thing BioWare are known for is the deep stories in their games. So yes.

Nope, they were known for it during the BG2 days, and it's almost a decade since than.

If you don't think KOTOR and Mass Effect have deep stories, I'd like to know what you've been smoking.

I have been smoking Xenogears, Final Fantasy Tactics, Planescape: Torment, Xenosaga and Chrono Cross.

Now i'm gonna explain to you why KotOR's story isn't deep:

-There are no characters who are really deep and important to the storyline - none.
-Most of the game you're going to random places (the four planets, and even in the last one there's no development to the story).
-There is only one twist in the game, you could've barely see it coming, and it doesn't have much of an effect on what happens later.
-Ordinary, run-of-the-mill villian, who's reason for being evil is because he's evil.

Do I really need to continue?

Most WRPGs never were about a deep, main storyline, they were about RP, and options, and about choosing your path and reaply value, not about a deep, character and plot driven storyline.

you no i used to believe that too after having to suffer through Oblivion and Fallout 3. But when i played KOTOR and ME, thats whole perception changed for the better. So yea there are WRPG's capable of giving deep storyline's (if its Bioware's work that is)




 

 

                     

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S.T.A.G.E. said:
reaver_x said:
is this game story driven??? b/c thats the deciding factor for me.

Of course it is. It's a real RPG with high quality standards, which means you can play this game with so many different times with different classes, paths and never feel redundant. It is story driven though, you make your story though because of your decisions (hence why its called an RPG). If storys are chosen for you, they aren't RPG's.

Please don't bring your JRPG hating bullcrap into every thread. Please.



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RageBot said:
huaxiong90 said:
reaver_x said:
is this game story driven??? b/c thats the deciding factor for me.

One thing BioWare are known for is the deep stories in their games. So yes.

Nope, they were known for it during the BG2 days, and it's almost a decade since than.

KoToR has one of the best stories in a RPG. What are you talking about?



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

Excellent, this is a definite GameFly.



Got excited for a second until I saw the link was for Gameinformer. What a shame.



I went outside once, the graphics were great but the gameplay sucked!

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ZenfoldorVGI said:
RageBot said:
huaxiong90 said:
reaver_x said:
is this game story driven??? b/c thats the deciding factor for me.

One thing BioWare are known for is the deep stories in their games. So yes.

Nope, they were known for it during the BG2 days, and it's almost a decade since than.

KoToR has one of the best stories in a RPG. What are you talking about?

Eh, I didn't the story was bad, but it certainly wasn't the strongpoint. I always thought gameplay was the draw of their games.



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Then follow young Mat whenever he calls,
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RageBot said:
themanwithnoname said:
RageBot said:
huaxiong90 said:
reaver_x said:
is this game story driven??? b/c thats the deciding factor for me.

One thing BioWare are known for is the deep stories in their games. So yes.

Nope, they were known for it during the BG2 days, and it's almost a decade since than.

If you don't think KOTOR and Mass Effect have deep stories, I'd like to know what you've been smoking.

I have been smoking Xenogears, Final Fantasy Tactics(Please, one of the best games ever, but the story is mediocre), Planescape: Torment, Xenosaga and Chrono Cross.

Now i'm gonna explain to you why KotOR's story isn't deep:

-There are no characters who are really deep and important to the storyline - none.(Bastila much?)

-Most of the game you're going to random places (the four planets, and even in the last one there's no development to the story).(The game is character driven and non-linear. All of Biowares games are. That is why the story takes place during either random or preset events. The main storyline is never the "story," in any good storybased game. For instance, in FFVI, the main storyline was "Stopping people from killing the world." It's the things that happen inbetween, and the journey with those characters that make the real meat of the story. The small sidestories and character development that make it great. By your logic, no Tales game could ever have a good story, because the arcs are generic, but the caracters are great. Character development is the most important part of narrative. That and atmosphere, and KoToR has atmosphere galore)

That said, the main storyline in KoToR is great also.
-There is only one twist in the game, you could've barely see it coming, and it doesn't have much of an effect on what happens later.(the greatest twist in videogame narrative history, according to most lists)
-Ordinary, run-of-the-mill villian, who's reason for being evil is because he's evil.(Did you even play it. Do you even know who the villian is? Saying who it is, would be a spoiler)

Do I really need to continue?(this is the one of the highest reviewed and fanloved/fanmodded games in human history, and totally owns the RPG genre on gamerankings, making it in the top 10 with two different versions).

Most WRPGs never were about a deep, main storyline, they were about RP, and options, and about choosing your path and reaply value, not about a deep, character and plot driven storyline.

KoToR has both, that's why it's so great.

BS, in other words. You're just a PC fan who wants to make it seem as if all the good story driven games are on PC. The best story in a game I've played is Hotel Dusk. I bet you'd agree if you'd played it, and know anything about literature and atmosphere, but you probably don't judging by this post.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

outlawauron said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
RageBot said:
huaxiong90 said:
reaver_x said:
is this game story driven??? b/c thats the deciding factor for me.

One thing BioWare are known for is the deep stories in their games. So yes.

Nope, they were known for it during the BG2 days, and it's almost a decade since than.

KoToR has one of the best stories in a RPG. What are you talking about?

Eh, I didn't the story was bad, but it certainly wasn't the strongpoint. I always thought gameplay was the draw of their games.

You thought the story wasn't a strongpoint in KoToR? Dude, lol! The story is what drove the average gameplay. Most people disagree with you, imo. Most reviewers too.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

RageBot said:
themanwithnoname said:
RageBot said:

Nope, they were known for it during the BG2 days, and it's almost a decade since than.

If you don't think KOTOR and Mass Effect have deep stories, I'd like to know what you've been smoking.

I have been smoking Xenogears, Final Fantasy Tactics, Planescape: Torment, Xenosaga and Chrono Cross.

Now i'm gonna explain to you why KotOR's story isn't deep:

-There are no characters who are really deep and important to the storyline - none.
-Most of the game you're going to random places (the four planets, and even in the last one there's no development to the story).
-There is only one twist in the game, you could've barely see it coming, and it doesn't have much of an effect on what happens later.
-Ordinary, run-of-the-mill villian, who's reason for being evil is because he's evil.

Do I really need to continue?

Most WRPGs never were about a deep, main storyline, they were about RP, and options, and about choosing your path and reaply value, not about a deep, character and plot driven storyline.

Not going to argue the KotOR points (a lot of them are addressed and even lampooned in KotOR2), but as to the latter: you're just looking at two different schools of WRPG design. I tend to think of them as being characterized or exemplified by Bethesda games like the Elder Scrolls series and some more plot-driven games like the Sith Lords, respectively.

I mean, the two schools of design do co-exist peacefully.



ZenfoldorVGI said:
RageBot said:
huaxiong90 said:
reaver_x said:
is this game story driven??? b/c thats the deciding factor for me.

One thing BioWare are known for is the deep stories in their games. So yes.

Nope, they were known for it during the BG2 days, and it's almost a decade since than.

KoToR has one of the best stories in a RPG. What are you talking about?

I do agree that KOTOR is up there, but why aren't we talking about the greatest story in any WRPG (or game for that matter).  Planescape: Torment is leaps and bounds ahead of all these games, but why does everyone ignore this game?

@outlawauron, since when has the gameplay been a drawing point for WRPG/RPG/SRPG/etc. games?