catofellow said:
How did that work for them on the GC? |
Poorly, but it seems to have worked fabulously for the Wii. I suppose they learned their lesson from the Gamecube years.
catofellow said:
How did that work for them on the GC? |
Poorly, but it seems to have worked fabulously for the Wii. I suppose they learned their lesson from the Gamecube years.
catofellow said:
How did that work for them on the GC? |
There is more software and better software on the Wii than the GameCube. Especially so when considering the mass consumer.
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I think Nintendo is going to launch early. Together with Microsoft and Xbox 3 probably. It's part of their disruption plan. And it's not gonna have the name 'Wii' in it.
Cheap, $299 tops.
But I dunno what they gonna have to truly disrupt with next time since everyone already has motion controls and at least one of MS/Sony will probably implement a 3-D vision tech.
^Yes I know disruption ain't as simple as Ive portrayed above.
theRepublic said:
There is more software and better software on the Wii than the GameCube. Especially so when considering the mass consumer. The whole advantage the Wii has was that it had motion controls and a significantly lower price point. I will ask the same question as you. How did that (significantly lower price point) work out for them on the GC?
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OK, when GC launched at $200, the PS2 and XBOX were priced at $300. When the Wii launched at $250 with a game, the 360 was $300 and $400 (for the popular model), and the PS3 was $500 and $600 (for the popular model). That is a huge difference in terms of pricing advantage.
(edit: keep in mind that PS2 and XBOX were at $200, only a half a year after the GC launch)
The GC was the only one which could not play DVD's, which was considered a big deal at that time. So the GC was the console with fewer hardware features for a slightly lower price. This is analogous to where the Wii will be by 2011.
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Wii U - 38 million
XBOX One - 88 million
Playstation 4 - 145 million
@catofellow: Looking at the historical trends, Xbox 720 will be released in 2009.
Wiis advantage is the games. No matter what Sony and M$ put out as controllers, Wii still has the games.
For the price advantage, the advantage wasn't Wii being cheap, but the competitors being expensive. Even that 360 has been the cheapest console for half of Wiis lifetime, it didn't gain similar momentum. The sell-out for 2 years was NA specific thing. Nintendo likely isn't going to ramp the price high because it would create a barrier for consumers to get the console.
The controller problem is easilly avoided with controller emulation.
Large storage costs money and raises the price of the console. Smaller flash storage is cheaper and overall it's also faster.
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Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.
Alterego-X said:
The "historical trends" argument is usually wrong, if people connect it to irrelevant coincidences, and call it the cause-effect relation, without detailing the relation. For example, claiming that since shark attack and ice cream sales increase in the same months, ice cream attracts the shark, (instead of looking for a reasonable common cause, in this case, the summer season) You did exactly the same with suggesting that that historical first releases might have caused long term successes, without explaining the connection. Please, explain, why do you think that releasing early gives a significant advantage? |
OMG. You picked that up! I'm impressed.
So my 1st and 2nd points are using contradictory arguments. In fact my 2nd point is using the argument I tried to disprove with my first. I don’t for a second believe in historical points, but I was just thinking of covering my bases. This is what I mean:
If he says he expects no 1st launch because of historical then my 1st point is showing how the historical argument is very weak. I put the 2nd point there so that IF Nintendo were to go historical (which doesn’t make any sense) then why not copy the only twice-in-a-row-successful company in history?
You could probably have picked up that I don't think the 2nd point is significant since I didn’t deliberate on the point at all. If it was a serious debate I would’ve put point 2 as a subargument to point 1.
Capiche?
| bdbdbd said: @Dr. Grass: On a side note, Sony have launched all its three home consoles second. Saturn -> PSX -> N64, Dreamcast -> PS2 -> GC -> Xbox, 360 -> PS3 -> Wii. |
I'm sorry but I can't count the Saturn because it failed so badly. It actually slipped my mind. I did however NOT forget my beloved DC. I guess there's 2 reasons why I would disregard it.
1. It was kind-of mid gen. I mean just compare it's graphics with that of the Xbox
2. It failed
I'm sorry Sega. I still love you.
@Superchunk
You're right I'm wrong. There I said it. I shouldn't have put nr 2 there.
Now for my disclaimer :P
I was very pissed of at some of the arguments and had little time to respond. Was multitasking you see. I shall not do it again.
@Dr. Grass: But now you're just picking your own rules to count out what contradicts what you said. We all know that 360 is the best selling current gen HD console. Wii excluded and we still consider Sony as the official market leader. Both of the two make a lot of sense when we count out everything that proves otherwise.
We could also count out N64 and GC for them flopping so hard in relation to competition (making the time between the release of SNES and Wii 16 years).
Ei Kiinasti.
Eikä Japanisti.
Vaan pannaan jalalla koreasti.
Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.
say wut?
Edit: Check 2posts down.
Oh and I wouldn't disregard GC and N64 because they finished in respectable, if unstellar, positions.