| FastFord58 said: Whoever wins, we lose. |
What is this Alien vs. Predator? 
themanwithnoname's law: As an America's sales or NPD thread grows longer, the probabilty of the comment "America = World" [sarcasticly] being made approaches 1.
| huaxiong90 said: I'll let time play out. We never know what'll happen. |
This
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| NeoRatt said: Generation will end something like this... 1a MS 1b Sony 2 Wii I think Nintendo will enter release a new console generation before they have a chance to win this one. I don't think they ever inteded Wii to be a 10 year console like Sony and MS are talking. 1a and 1b could be the other way around, but in the end it will be indistinguishable who sold more. Nor will it matter. This creates a problem in |
This is the 10year plan reference?
1a Wii
1b Wii+(whatever name it will be)
2a MS
2b Sony
No offense but in the 10 year plan the next Wii iteration will by the end of the PS360(assuming 10y) cycle have made the same amount if not more. So by that figure and with just some made up numbers based on current amounts(assuming Wii stopped selling). The PS3 hits 50m, The Wii+ hits 50m. that's two consoles for Nintendo to hit the same amount in the same time period. How does that put Sony ahead? when in the same period time Nintendo ends up selling twice the amount?
Squilliam: On Vgcharts its a commonly accepted practice to twist the bounds of plausibility in order to support your argument or agenda so I think its pretty cool that this gives me the precedent to say whatever I damn well please.
themanwithnoname said:
What is this Alien vs. Predator? |
LMAO!
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RolStoppable said:
That's what he did to arrive at his conclusion (Wii sells third party software). |
Damn. Owned.
| xerostomia said: The question really is what does 'winnable' mean. From a corporate stand point of view, gaining market share, along with year over year, and generation over generation growth, with PROFITABILITY is winning. Based on that, Nintendo is the clear winner. They have gained market share, and have huge profits. They can do nothing to loose this generation. Microsoft is also a winner. They have gained market share, they have become profitable, and clearly have become dominant players in software with microsoft game studios. The dominance in Noth America is clear, they have achieved Parity in Europe, and have improved in Japan, but perhaps not as much as they liked. Microsoft has also layed the groundworks for future generations with adapting the gaming console with a center of media. Live is in its infancy, and likely will be the dominant player for intyerface with other applications (ala netflicks, Twitter, facebook, instant streaming, etc). Sony is the clear Loser. They have lost market share, they have lost billions in the gaming division, and will not recoupe those losses this or next generation. This setback financially will hurt them next generation as well as they will most certainly be behind the loop when the Wii HD comes out along with the next Xbox. Their arrogance has cost them dearly, as they have always been one to try to push their propriotary formats (example -Bmax, propriotary memory sticks, and of course blu-ray). If not for Toshiba's foresight in that HD physical media will be a niche product, and pulling out of HD-DVD (and Toshiba does have the resources to drag on a fight for years), Sony would be in an even worse finacial situation because of blu-ray. (They still may be because many people beleive that streaming HD will be the preferred format of the near future, not blu-ray). My personal thought is that Nintendo holds all the power with regards to gaming consoles. Even if the Wii HD comes out in a coupel of years with similar specs as a PS3 (which I doubt as there would be no reason not to make it more powerful), It will continue to keep marketshare and continue to grow. Sony' s main competetor has alway been Nintendo, not Microsfoft. Wii-HD will likely put the final nail in the coffin for the PS3 as they will control Japan, MS will control America, and MS-Nintendo-Sony will split Europe. And by they way, PS3 is not going to catch Xbox with regards to consoles sold. Already the numbers are reversing in NA with Xbox selling more, and will continue the rest of the holiday season, last year Xbox outsold PS3 > 2:1 holiday season in NA where the bulk of console sales are. I expect parity or PS3 to be higher only because of Japan sales, but with regards to software, the big multiplatform games are going sell and push hardware much more than 1st party games. CoD:MW2 will push more consoles than any other offering this year, and we all know that Shooters sell extremely well in NA.......... |
It is true that profits wise, Sony is in need of help since they are still in the red.
| xerostomia said: The question really is what does 'winnable' mean. From a corporate stand point of view, gaining market share, along with year over year, and generation over generation growth, with PROFITABILITY is winning. Based on that, Nintendo is the clear winner. They have gained market share, and have huge profits. They can do nothing to loose this generation. Microsoft is also a winner. They have gained market share, they have become profitable, and clearly have become dominant players in software with microsoft game studios. The dominance in Noth America is clear, they have achieved Parity in Europe, and have improved in Japan, but perhaps not as much as they liked. Microsoft has also layed the groundworks for future generations with adapting the gaming console with a center of media. Live is in its infancy, and likely will be the dominant player for intyerface with other applications (ala netflicks, Twitter, facebook, instant streaming, etc). Sony is the clear Loser. They have lost market share, they have lost billions in the gaming division, and will not recoupe those losses this or next generation. This setback financially will hurt them next generation as well as they will most certainly be behind the loop when the Wii HD comes out along with the next Xbox. Their arrogance has cost them dearly, as they have always been one to try to push their propriotary formats (example -Bmax, propriotary memory sticks, and of course blu-ray). If not for Toshiba's foresight in that HD physical media will be a niche product, and pulling out of HD-DVD (and Toshiba does have the resources to drag on a fight for years), Sony would be in an even worse finacial situation because of blu-ray. (They still may be because many people beleive that streaming HD will be the preferred format of the near future, not blu-ray). My personal thought is that Nintendo holds all the power with regards to gaming consoles. Even if the Wii HD comes out in a coupel of years with similar specs as a PS3 (which I doubt as there would be no reason not to make it more powerful), It will continue to keep marketshare and continue to grow. Sony' s main competetor has alway been Nintendo, not Microsfoft. Wii-HD will likely put the final nail in the coffin for the PS3 as they will control Japan, MS will control America, and MS-Nintendo-Sony will split Europe. And by they way, PS3 is not going to catch Xbox with regards to consoles sold. Already the numbers are reversing in NA with Xbox selling more, and will continue the rest of the holiday season, last year Xbox outsold PS3 > 2:1 holiday season in NA where the bulk of console sales are. I expect parity or PS3 to be higher only because of Japan sales, but with regards to software, the big multiplatform games are going sell and push hardware much more than 1st party games. CoD:MW2 will push more consoles than any other offering this year, and we all know that Shooters sell extremely well in NA.......... |
You're right if we talk about winning purely from a profit point of view, wii is so far ahead and it would be practically impossible for Sony or MS to get them sort of profit margins, luckily for me I'm neither a corporate member or shareholder of any of these companies. Its all about the games and for me, they're pretty spread out on all consoles for quality, with the hd consoles edging it.
As for the rest of the comment you make, can you pass me your crystal ball in regards to Sony not making any profit this or next generation? One of the reasons the HD consoles lost so much money was due to R&D and the cost of components, is the wii-hd a wii with HD capabilities or a total revamp? I'm lost how you come to the conclusion they'll release a wii that surpasses the PS3 in power yet will make a guarranteed profit.
And you're also right about streaming HD is the future, problem is, just not the near future.
I think when this generation is all done and dusted, the positions will be more or less the same as they're now.
| xerostomia said: The question really is what does 'winnable' mean. From a corporate stand point of view, gaining market share, along with year over year, and generation over generation growth, with PROFITABILITY is winning. Based on that, Nintendo is the clear winner. They have gained market share, and have huge profits. They can do nothing to loose this generation. Microsoft is also a winner. They have gained market share, they have become profitable,and they are still in ''red'' and clearly have become dominant players in software with microsoft game studios.ever heard of a wii sports, wii fit, wii play and Mario Kart wii? those are not made by microsoft. The dominance in Noth America is clear,There is this console called wii they have achieved Parity in Europe, and have improved in Japan, but perhaps not as much as they liked. Microsoft has also layed the groundworks for future generations with adapting the gaming console with a center of media. Live is in its infancy, and likely will be the dominant player for intyerface with other applications (ala netflicks, Twitter, facebook, instant streaming,yes, the things PS3 had since its launch etc). Sony is the clear Loser. They have lost market share, they have lost billions in the gaming division, and will not recoupe those losses this or next generation. you have a cristal ball?? This setback financially will hurt them next generation as well as they will most certainly be behind the loop when the Wii HD comes out along with the next Xbox.seriously how can you see future? Their arrogance has cost them dearly, as they have always been one to try to push their propriotary formats (example -Bmax, propriotary memory sticks, and of course blu-ray). If not for Toshiba's foresight in that HD physical media will be a niche product, and pulling out of HD-DVD (and Toshiba does have the resources to drag on a fight for years), Sony would be in an even worse finacial situation because of blu-ray.(They still may be because many people beleive that streaming HD will be the preferred format of the near future, not blu-ray and yet, Blu Ray sales are getting bigger every year). My personal thought is that Nintendo holds all the power with regards to gaming consoles. Even if the Wii HD comes out in a coupel of years with similar specs as a PS3 (which I doubt as there would be no reason not to make it more powerful), It will continue to keep marketshare and continue to grow. Sony' s main competetor has alway been Nintendo, not Microsfoft. Wii-HD will likely put the final nail in the coffin for the PS3 as they will control Japan, MS will control America,of course, because they are controling amerca now and they controled it last gen and MS-Nintendo-Sony will split Europe. And by they way, PS3 is not going to catch Xbox with regards to consoles sold. Already the numbers are reversing in NA with Xbox selling more and 150$ price cut has and Halo ODST have nothing to do with it, and will continue the rest of the holiday season, last year Xbox outsold PS3 > 2:1 holiday season in NA where the bulk of console sales are. I expect parity or PS3 to be higher only because of Japan sales, but with regards to software, the big multiplatform games are going sell and push hardware much more than 1st party games. CoD:MW2 will push more consoles than any other offering this yearsay hi to FF XIII, and we all know that Shooters sell extremely well in NA and JRPGs sell extremly well in Japan.......... |
Three way tie huh?
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Funny, I thought the company that sold the most products and make the most profit is the winner.
Quick guess its not either Sony or Microsoft....
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