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theprof00 said:
a peripheral is anything that is not needed for the core to function. A wii can function without a wiimote. It will be limited but it can function.

A power supply is not a peripheral.
A mobo/processor/ram are not peripherals
some kind of internal memory at least is required, so a hard drive could be a peripheral.
Video processing can be done right on the mobo, so a standalone vid card is a peripheral. Additionally, a computer can run without a video card, it just cannot display images, and not all computers require that either.

an optical drive is one
video card
Hard drive
input
speakers
communications

a good synonym for peripheral is supplemental, as in something that acts as a booster, or something that facilitates existing abilities.

At least that's my take on it.

A wii cannot function without a Wiimote.  Because you cannot select anything on the System Menu without the Wiimote.

Many games can run without the Wiimote.  Some peripherals can run independant of the Wiimote.  Many options on the System Menu can function without the Wiimote.  However, you still need the Wiimote to select menu options such as the game you want to play or the WeatherChannel or etc.



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Final-Fan said:
theprof00 said:
a peripheral is anything that is not needed for the core to function. A wii can function without a wiimote. It will be limited but it can function.

A power supply is not a peripheral.
A mobo/processor/ram are not peripherals
some kind of internal memory at least is required, so a hard drive could be a peripheral.
Video processing can be done right on the mobo, so a standalone vid card is a peripheral. Additionally, a computer can run without a video card, it just cannot display images, and not all computers require that either.

an optical drive is one
video card
Hard drive
input
speakers
communications

a good synonym for peripheral is supplemental, as in something that acts as a booster, or something that facilitates existing abilities.

At least that's my take on it.

Well, the "core function" of the Wii (or any game console) is for people to play games, which I argue would be pretty difficult without a controller.  But I've already edited my post regarding that issue.  As for the rest...

exactly, it would be difficult, but it would still be possible. You could theoretically play any wii game with a keyboard or analog stick, or even with speech. The motion sensor is simply input, as is everything else. You do not need a wii mote to play.

But I do like how my actual quote was "core to function" and you rewrote it as "core function", which are not the same things.

Yes the wii is designed to play games. In order for the wii to play games you need the mobo, the processor, the ram, and some internal memory. Nothin else is needed, BUT all the peripherals enhance that core and completes the product.

 

 



theprof00 said:
Final-Fan said:
theprof00 said:
a peripheral is anything that is not needed for the core to function. A wii can function without a wiimote. It will be limited but it can function.

A power supply is not a peripheral.
A mobo/processor/ram are not peripherals
some kind of internal memory at least is required, so a hard drive could be a peripheral.
Video processing can be done right on the mobo, so a standalone vid card is a peripheral. Additionally, a computer can run without a video card, it just cannot display images, and not all computers require that either.

an optical drive is one
video card
Hard drive
input
speakers
communications

a good synonym for peripheral is supplemental, as in something that acts as a booster, or something that facilitates existing abilities.

At least that's my take on it.

Well, the "core function" of the Wii (or any game console) is for people to play games, which I argue would be pretty difficult without a controller.  But I've already edited my post regarding that issue.  As for the rest...

exactly, it would be difficult, but it would still be possible. You could theoretically play any wii game with a keyboard or analog stick, or even with speech. The motion sensor is simply input, as is everything else. You do not need a wii mote to play.

But I do like how my actual quote was "core to function" and you rewrote it as "core function", which are not the same things.

Yes the wii is designed to play games. In order for the wii to play games you need the mobo, the processor, the ram, and some internal memory. Nothin else is needed, BUT all the peripherals enhance that core and completes the product.

No, it would not be possible.  The only thing the Wii can do without a Wii Remote is turn on/off, and accept/eject discs.



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why am i even arguing this factual idea with anyone.

all input can be used with any most input devices.
All the motion sensor does is tell the computer that something is moving in a direction. This can be handled by any other peripheral device, even speech.

Of course, the final retail product assumes you will use a wiimote, but theoretically you could hack into one and use two mice duct taped together. You could even just use one mouse the manipulates a virtual wii mote.



I admit that I read that as meaning 'the core functionality' instead of 'the functionality of core components'.

But I do like how you are ignoring the rest of the argument.



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Nothing will stop me from taking apart your argument, be patient. :P



Peripheral this Peripheral that.

As far as video games are concerned, I consider a peripheral anything that doesn't come in the core package with the console.

Wii Remote, Nunchuk, not peripherals.

Wii wheel, balance board, motion plus, peripherals.

For xbox 360:

Wifi, HDMI cable, harddrive.

PS3: the blu ray remote thing (is dualshock 3 the standard controller or does it come with sixaxis still?, i don't know much about the PS3).



wait! What did you want me to respond to? There was nothing else in that post!
Are you asking me to respond to the "most rejected" thing?



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that's just your definition.



theprof00 said:

why am i even arguing this factual idea with anyone.

all input can be used with any most input devices.
All the motion sensor does is tell the computer that something is moving in a direction. This can be handled by any other peripheral device, even speech.

Of course, the final retail product assumes you will use a wiimote, but theoretically you could hack into one and use two mice duct taped together. You could even just use one mouse the manipulates a virtual wii mote.

You can all it a 'factual idea' or a 'fact' or whatever you want.  The 'fact' of the matter is the Wii was built to interact with the Wiimote.  While some people have messed with the hardware and made it so you only needed a normal controller or even voice commands, that doesn't change the original interface the console launched with that requires the Wiimote.  You can't start a game or anything on the menu without a Wiimote.



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