Woh, Im sure you feel very holy for doing a good deed by expressing that rage. So typical that your most aggressive post on this site comes as a reaction against an anti-immigration statement. (to all: remember what I said about political correctness and shutting down the discussion?)

But everyone here states there opinion, that's the purpose of this thread, and I responded to a claim made by highwaystar about BNP riots.

And it's not racism to be against immigration. 

You should be ashamed for that attack.

Thank you.

This happens all the time here in Sweden. (we have no party nowhere near as hard-core as BNP though, but still violent socialists and their helpers destroy all their meetings, with the silent support from the left majority)

nah im not ashamed. perhaps i reacted a bit too quickly to reading it, but it just seems like an attack on immigrants to me.

but from what I know of the BNP, they are anti-immigration and white supremacists and THAT is racist, is it not? believing your race to be superior to others, even those born in your own country?

and well said, its okay to post your opinion. and it is my opinion that your post, like the BNP itself, is ignorant, ugly and shouldn't be tolerated.

anyway, i dont want the hostility to leave this thread. politics is a messy subject.

You love immigrants and melting pots so much that you can't refrain from distorting the truth.

The UK would have problems without immigrants? One of the most powerful empires in human history is dependant on immigrants all of a sudden? (and what has trade to do with it??)

I didn't say that I hate you or your friends. Don't put words in my mouth like that.

The UK does not have an empire any more.

I mean after world war II we had a major labour shortage, if it wasn't for immigration our economy would have failed after the war. That is why I think immigration is important in many respects as it provides skilled labour when you need it and it's much better for us than just outsourcing the labour, which would be the other option.

However, I do thinks that letting desperate unskilled immigrants into the UK should be cracked down on. It really depends on what the immigrant can offer.

And at the end of the day would you rather outsource labour to other countries or allow skilled immigrants into your country?

Oh yeah and Scifiboy just pointing out that a lot of his friends would get harassed under the BNP (although he said it in a very rude way), which is true, a good few of my friends would be harassed by them too because they are second or third generation immigrants, even though they are as British as me, if not more British.

Kicking out* people born in this country because of their lineage is absurd, but the BNP want to do it.

* Well not kicking out exactly, the BNP want to pay loads of the taxpayers money to second and third generation immigrants in exchange for them to go back to the country their forefathers came from.

I don't agree with what they say, but I believe in freedom of speech and the right to peacefully protest.

It may be the case in Sweden that the nationlist party is attacked by the left, but the BNP are a symbol of racism and hate. They aren't just hated by the left, they are hated by almost every person, whether they have a politcal opinion or not.

My opinion on political correctness and freedom of speech:

Political correctness infringes my freedom of speech. Politcal correctness is the government telling me what I am and am not allowed to say. This is not free speech. For speech to be free, politcal correctness has to be taken away.

Basically my opinion is, you can say anything you like unless you are directly inciting voilence. Pretty much the same as the 1st Amendment.

Well to be honest I think everyone on this site thinks that way. Political correctness is insane, it's all about where you draw the line. for example I think that saying Ni**er is completely out because it is hard to say it in a context which is destructive, but not being able to say something like blackboard and whiteboard in the classroom is absurd*.

Either way the UK is far too politically correct, I'm all about the right balance.

(* I know that last one is just an urban legend, but I'm just using it hypothetically)

Well, I of course believe you absolutely must vote.

But right now there is no party I would feel comfortable voting for. I have serious issues with every parties stance in some form or other.

So I'm in a bit of a pickle. Maybe I should run myself...

I guess the normal response is to pick the party I least disagree with, but for the first time I really find myself thinking I wish there was a vote for 'no confidence' in all parties - I'd be mightily curious how many people would feel the same.