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I'm certain by now Mario has citizenship in the Mushroom Kingdom, and is just waiting for Peach to stop baking him cakes and start putting out



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

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Who said she doesn't?  Have you ever wondered why Bowser keeps kidnapping her?



johnlucas said:
jhlennon1 said:

http://www.nintendorevolution.ca/10132007/15/more_nintendo_wii_bashing_from_cnet

 

"Listen, we all know the Wii is selling well, but that doesn't mean people are actually playing the console," he writes.

"Sorry to say, graphics still matter, and because it is lacking, some walk into a room, play with it for an hour, tell everyone how fun it is, and go back to their PS3 to marvel at the look of a game," Reisinger theorizes.

But "if people decide to buy it because it looks nice at a friend's house and proceed to play it until they get bored with it, where are the opportunities for third-party developers to make money?"

This writer is gonna have a heart attack once Wii proves graphics DON'T matter. The graphics were fine last generation. Get to the gameplay, suckas.

Nobody's having PS3 parties with ma and grandma.

Opportunities for 3rd parties? The vast vast VAST marketshare Nintendo has and will have. Where there's money to be made the opportunity will be taken.

John Lucas

 

So, apparently, greater graphics and great gameplay cannot coexist?



pearljammer said:
johnlucas said:
jhlennon1 said:

http://www.nintendorevolution.ca/10132007/15/more_nintendo_wii_bashing_from_cnet

 

"Listen, we all know the Wii is selling well, but that doesn't mean people are actually playing the console," he writes.

"Sorry to say, graphics still matter, and because it is lacking, some walk into a room, play with it for an hour, tell everyone how fun it is, and go back to their PS3 to marvel at the look of a game," Reisinger theorizes.

But "if people decide to buy it because it looks nice at a friend's house and proceed to play it until they get bored with it, where are the opportunities for third-party developers to make money?"

This writer is gonna have a heart attack once Wii proves graphics DON'T matter. The graphics were fine last generation. Get to the gameplay, suckas.

Nobody's having PS3 parties with ma and grandma.

Opportunities for 3rd parties? The vast vast VAST marketshare Nintendo has and will have. Where there's money to be made the opportunity will be taken.

John Lucas


So apparently greater graphics and great gameplay cannot coexist?


*sigh* Tired argument.

All explained here.

Why graphics don't mean as much anymore

http://www.n-philes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22174

You seem to imply that gameplay and graphics are individual unto themselves. MY point is that until you get to virtual reality where game and life are hard to tell apart this graphic race is now futile. Give a million to a homeless bum on the street and he is joyously elated. Give a million to Oprah and she's like that'll buy some pet food for the dog.

There is a threshhold on this thing and you're seeing it in the market. This is why PS3 & XBox 360 have not conquered. THIS tells that graphics REAL function is ROOTED in gameplay not an accessory added later. Gameplay is ALWAYS first. Logical, right? They're games after all. Not movies.

John Lucas 



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WE ARE THE NATION...OF DOMINATION!

 

Just some random thoughts.

Graphics do matter -- but only to a point. I test-played both Ridge Racer 7 (PS3) and Excite Truck (Wii) in the days leading to system release. Not surprising RR7 looked much better. But Excite Truck "felt" faster. People sometimes forget that graphics without gameplay is only "eye candy" -- nice in the short run but something you would not play in the long run.

There are some attach rate issues with the Wii. Having a pack-in game will do that. Also, having some users who buy it just for that pack-in game (or just because they like the idea of playing virtual golf a-la Tiger Woods) is another [my evidence here is purely anecdotal from people whom I know]. So unlike the other two systems, there is a portion of people who own the console who are not looking to buy (many) more games for it.

As for variety, the Xbox 360 probably has the best right now. Of course, what its owners generally want -- Halo 3 -- sometimes differences from what is offered -- Viva Pinata. In other words, there are games on that console would be big sellers on another console -- but cannot go multiplatform because they are by second-party development houses. (In other words, how big of a seller would Viva Pinata Wii be?)

Finally, it is interesting that worldwide sales of the PS3 roughly tracks those of the Xbox 360 for the same "time from launch." Of course, that is not good news for Sony since they actually get people in the three largest global game markets to buy them while Microsoft is selling all but a small percentage to North Americans and Europeans.

(I would love to report on the Wii vs. PS2 but I cannot seem to get the graher to work today).

Mike from Morgantown









      


I am Mario.


I like to jump around, and would lead a fairly serene and aimless existence if it weren't for my friends always getting into trouble. I love to help out, even when it puts me at risk. I seem to make friends with people who just can't stay out of trouble.

Wii Friend Code: 1624 6601 1126 1492

NNID: Mike_INTV

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Words Of Wisdom said:
Who said she doesn't? Have you ever wondered why Bowser keeps kidnapping her?

Bowser doesn't strike me as that type, too stupid and goofy a villain to be like that, he seems more like he wants Peach to fall in love with him and marry him.



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

johnlucas said:
pearljammer said:
johnlucas said:
jhlennon1 said:

http://www.nintendorevolution.ca/10132007/15/more_nintendo_wii_bashing_from_cnet

 

"Listen, we all know the Wii is selling well, but that doesn't mean people are actually playing the console," he writes.

"Sorry to say, graphics still matter, and because it is lacking, some walk into a room, play with it for an hour, tell everyone how fun it is, and go back to their PS3 to marvel at the look of a game," Reisinger theorizes.

But "if people decide to buy it because it looks nice at a friend's house and proceed to play it until they get bored with it, where are the opportunities for third-party developers to make money?"

This writer is gonna have a heart attack once Wii proves graphics DON'T matter. The graphics were fine last generation. Get to the gameplay, suckas.

Nobody's having PS3 parties with ma and grandma.

Opportunities for 3rd parties? The vast vast VAST marketshare Nintendo has and will have. Where there's money to be made the opportunity will be taken.

John Lucas


So apparently greater graphics and great gameplay cannot coexist?


*sigh* Tired argument.

All explained here.

Why graphics don't mean as much anymore

http://www.n-philes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22174

You seem to imply that gameplay and graphics are individual unto themselves. MY point is that until you get to virtual reality where game and life are hard to tell apart this graphic race is now futile. Give a million to a homeless bum on the street and he is joyously elated. Give a million to Oprah and she's like that'll buy some pet food for the dog.

There is a threshhold on this thing and you're seeing it in the market. This is why PS3 & XBox 360 have not conquered. THIS tells that graphics REAL function is ROOTED in gameplay not an accessory added later. Gameplay is ALWAYS first. Logical, right? They're games after all. Not movies.

John Lucas


 I could say the exact same...

*sigh* tired arguement.

 You completely missed what I was saying. I was simply addressing to when you had said  "Get to the gameplay, suckas" where it seemed that you were implying that neither the 360 nor the PS3 had games with great gameplay. I apologise if I had read into that incorrectly, but my intentions were not to imply that gameplay and graphics are mutually exclusive of one another, just thought you were suggesting that one was being sacrificed for another for either the 360 or the PS3.

 On another note, though. I do believe that graphics do matter to a certain extent. Perhaps not to all of us, and as you say they are games, not movies, but everyone has different tastes so I'm sure there are those who will, indeed, purchase a system based on it's "kewl graphix".



Graphics don't matter. If graphics were the only thing that peiple cared about then they would be running dual NVidia 8800 ultras and waiting for crysis to come out. I can see what they mean graphically, mainly because wii softare has been meh and if the majority of the owners are older, then 'hardcore' software won't sell. I think this point is pretty much null however. The wii hasn't had a ton of great software in the last year, it's just getting it's legs. It's like the software that was out for the 360 after launch. Yeah you had elder scrolls and call of duty. The torrent of software will be forthcoming. I'm a wii owner , soon to be xbox 360 if I can afford it, and I'm waiting for upcoming games. I'm excited becasue third party support is coming. I think Ps3 will pick up ground in the next couple years, but if Wii gets 3rd party support they will retain the lead. If you look at statistics for the U.S. economy, people seem to be strapped for cash and price vs value is a HUGE issue for families, maybe not individual single gamers.



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