Have you ever heard the term "Game Experience May Change During Online Play?"

You may play a game with an E rating, but people curse online. I'm sure that's something you agree to in the Terms of Service. It doesn't mean everyone should be censored so that some people don't get offended.

Fail.

Wii games without voicechat have that 'warning' and I think it generally refers to shitty connections and slowdown.

Nobody's being censored. You can say what you want, when you want, where you want, I don't want to hear it.

You want team chat? Get their friend codes. Simple.

Yes, because it could only refer to shitty connections and slowdown.

Not being allowed to say something so that someone else isn't offended is censorship, and that's what you're advocating. I'm not allowed to speak freely so that I don't offend your 4 year old or grandma. If you don't want to hear it, mute me. You have that option. Just like I should have the option to say what I want. It's not possible to censor voice chat, but you can report people. There are many options. And by the way, take this scenario on for size. Let's say I'm playing any old shooter game, and it's in teams of 6. What should happen if I want to speak with the rest of my team? Write down all the friend codes of the other players and add them so that I can talk to them for that one match? That's really dumb.

Just admit you're wrong so I don't have to go through an argument this painful for much longer.

I'll admit I'm wrong when you stop trying to build the 'censorship' strawmen.

Nobody's stopping you from saying anything. I just think having mute as the default and choosing who to hear is more appropriate for games that appeal to everyone instead of just adolescent males.

Its Nintendo they won't do it :/

If that's what you were arguing all along, you certainly managed to confuse me. There's an option for that on Xbox Live, and possibly the Playstation Network (although I'm not sure on that). If you want mute as a default, you can do that. But what you suggested was that you have to add people to your friend's list to be able to talk to them and play with them. That's fine for some place like Facebook, where your personal info is right on display. But this is a gaming service, where people play together and voice chat is useful.

Nintendo needs to have a more unified on-line -- one set of codes would be great.

But regardless of what we think, it is going to do things its way. It may be arrogant, but the company has far more experience in making and selling video games. It also comes at it with a very Japanese perspective in some ways. And on-line Wii gaming there is not nearly the issue it is in other markets ... mainly because people have not hooked their Wii consoles up to the Internet.

For those saying that they are mature and want a mature system -- the other consoles offer that. I personally like something with some restrictions. I am 45 -- old enough to be many people's father on this board. But more importantly -- and more real -- the father of a 7 year old son. I have no qualms about him taking Mario Kart on-line when I am not here. I could not say the same thing from my experience on Xbox Live (admittedly, last generation's experience, but still the same type of thing).

So Nintendo will slowly work to improve things. That I am sure. Will it ever be what Live and Home are -- probably not. But then again, Live and Home will probably not be in as many homes as the Wii this generation, so a more restrictive on-line system has not been decremental to the finances of Nintendo. And that is all any of these companies really care about.

Mike from Morgantown

When I say "choosing who to hear" I mean people you know or have at least spoken to on a message forum.

I'm still against hearing people I don't know swearing in my living room. Parental controls for online chat I'd be happy with.

I want to know I can leave a child playing a game rated for their age group without them being subjected to sick, racist, foul mouthed rants.

And you know this for a fact?