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nightsurge said:
WessleWoggle said:
nightsurge said:
The only thing I don't understand is why anyone would take the deal for #10. It's eternal. Having a 1 year break every now and then would not make up for it in the end because eventually your days off would run out and you'd be back to eternal hell. Eternity has no beginning or end, so even if you got 100 years after dying that you didn't have to suffer, you'd just be delaying the inevitable. I'd say no because why would I ever want to purposely make other people suffer for my own false security?

Well, what if you could tempt people forever and never have to suffer?

Well that would have to rely on the longevity of the earth.  If we are going by Chrisitan belief, the world will eventually end, so then at that point there would be no more people to tempt and thus you would still eventually begin your damnation and have to suffer it eternally.


But it also says God is going to create new heavens and earth after this one is destroyed. Thus, still people to tempt.

But then again those people will be immortal and saved by christ according to the standard interpretation of the bible.



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WessleWoggle said:
nightsurge said:
WessleWoggle said:
nightsurge said:
The only thing I don't understand is why anyone would take the deal for #10. It's eternal. Having a 1 year break every now and then would not make up for it in the end because eventually your days off would run out and you'd be back to eternal hell. Eternity has no beginning or end, so even if you got 100 years after dying that you didn't have to suffer, you'd just be delaying the inevitable. I'd say no because why would I ever want to purposely make other people suffer for my own false security?

Well, what if you could tempt people forever and never have to suffer?

Well that would have to rely on the longevity of the earth.  If we are going by Chrisitan belief, the world will eventually end, so then at that point there would be no more people to tempt and thus you would still eventually begin your damnation and have to suffer it eternally.


But it also says God is going to create new heavens and earth after this one is destroyed. Thus, still people to tempt.

But then again those people will be immortal and saved by christ according to the standard interpretation of the bible.

Lol exactly, the only people left would have nothing to tempt them with.  They'd be living the perfect life



but does some religious writing not also say that God forgives all those who ask?

so if you're gonna play the religious card, there's an Ace up my sleeve :D



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insomniac17 said:
Kantor said:
insomniac17 said:
Kantor said:
insomniac17 said:
Kantor said:
Everyone saying "no" to number 10, I doubt you would feel the same after five SECONDS of torment, let alone an eternity.

Or we're just not assholes/we are Christian. I'm working hard at not ending up there since, as a Christian, I do believe there is a Hell, and I know that I don't want to spend the rest of forever there. If I do end up there though, why would I want to make other people suffer because of my mistakes?

EDIT: Random thought; I wonder what DMJ would think of the kitten one...

Here's a simpler one: If you could kill a person you've never met to save your own life, would you?

No. Would you?

Either you're a better person than me, or a better liar. I would.

No, I'm not a liar. I'd feel terrible knowing that there's a good chance the person I killed would have had a family/people who cared for him/her, and I couldn't live with myself. The only way I can imagine myself killing someone is in self defence or if they manage to make me so angry that I snap (which would take a lot). Even then, I'd still feel bad about it. I guess I'm just not a killer.

I would also feel terrible in the situation you described, but I would feel considerably worse if I was dead. I'm not a killer, either. The thought of killing somebody makes me feel sick. But if it was to save my life, or the life of somebody I was very close to, I would definitely consider it.

What if we changed it a little, and said you had to kill this person to save the life of your best friend?

Though having said that, your argument about the person you kill having people care about him/her, surely there are people who care about you who would be equally devastated if you died?

It's a bit like another conundrum I heard. A train is travelling on a track. Four people are tied to the track. If you do nothing, they will all die. You can pull a lever to make the train change tracks. One person is lying on this second track. If you do so, the one will die, but the four will survive. Would you pull the lever? I certainly would, it's three fewer deaths. But some people, apparently, think that pulling the lever is murder, and leaving the four to die isn't. What's your opinion on that?



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Even stranger is the one from The Dark Knight, with the two ships. I would press the button as soon as I got it (assuming, of course, Batman wasn't there to magically save the day). The Joker would kill everyone on both ships anyway, and by pressing the button, you are not only saving your own life, but hundreds of other lives, some of which would be the lives of your friends and family. And the prisoners' fate is no worse than what it would be if the Joker was the one to press the button.



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Kantor said:

I would also feel terrible in the situation you described, but I would feel considerably worse if I was dead. I'm not a killer, either. The thought of killing somebody makes me feel sick. But if it was to save my life, or the life of somebody I was very close to, I would definitely consider it.

Fair enough.

What if we changed it a little, and said you had to kill this person to save the life of your best friend?

To be honest, this is one of those things that I couldn't answer until the situation came up irl. I honestly don't know what I would do.

Though having said that, your argument about the person you kill having people care about him/her, surely there are people who care about you who would be equally devastated if you died?

Yes, there are. I have family, friends, and a girlfriend who would all be very sad if I died. But how would they feel if they knew that I had killed someone to save myself? That seems very selfish to me. Basically, the difference is me killing or not killing someone.

It's a bit like another conundrum I heard. A train is travelling on a track. Four people are tied to the track. If you do nothing, they will all die. You can pull a lever to make the train change tracks. One person is lying on this second track. If you do so, the one will die, but the four will survive. Would you pull the lever? I certainly would, it's three fewer deaths. But some people, apparently, think that pulling the lever is murder, and leaving the four to die isn't. What's your opinion on that?

I agree with you; saving 4 people and losing one is better than saving one and losing four. This would still make me feel terrible though, because I'd feel like I killed the one person. I can see why they would view that as murder, but I would rather save the four people. Hopefully, less people would be affected by the death of one than the death of four.

That last one is a situation that I'd hate to come across...




1. Choose my life now. The only downside is that I'd be a student forever (so no goal achievement really). But I enjoy life as is at the moment.

2. Greatest genius on earth without the current fame, easily. For me, it's about being right. Although I might rethink my decision if I was despised for my theories (literally hated by the majority of the world).

3. Tough call. Would probably go the second option.

4. Greatest poet that ever lived. When you mention that sort of rock band, I keep thinking nickelback, whom I hate (and don't consider to be rock, just crap).

5. Easy, Walk away. No Reward, but No risk either. Fame and Fortune aren't worth that much to me.

6. Depends. If we're talking about reality, then no (my enemies aren't that dangerous). If my enemies are people that would severely harm others (not me), then yes.

7. Conservative christian. I'm not that outrageous of a person, and at least the christian wouldn't be saying it (oftenly) to my face, so I don't really care. The war vet seems like he's a got a few screws loose.

8. No. Immortality is overrated imo.

9. Nope. It's their choice what they feel, I wouldn't do it because it'd be artificially changing someones emotions (if that makes sense).

10. No. It's called manning up. Take one for humanity.

 

Those are my answers. I'm not sure how seriously you wanted us to respond, but those are what I would choose no matter what (probably not the exact reasoning if I was being entirely serious, example: question 10)



trashleg said:
but does some religious writing not also say that God forgives all those who ask?

so if you're gonna play the religious card, there's an Ace up my sleeve :D

There is some slight conditions to that.  It's not quite as easy as saying "Forgive me" and your good.  First you have to actually want forgiveness and admit the error of your ways.  Then you have to not only accept his forgiveness, but as your savior and God as well.  And then finally, which I don't know is a requirement after the first 2 or not, you have to actually show you've changed for the better (along the same lines of actually wanting forgiveness and being truly sorry).

But this is getting complicated



Here's one.

Would you have sex with your mother to extend your life by 20 years?



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

^ NO wtf?