Erik Aston said: So many defenders of this game's sales. If Capcom says they want to ship 2m WW, and says the initial shipment for Japan is 1m, one can assume they wanted to sell significantly more than 1m in Japan. Like, d'uh. It was expected that the game would be the best-selling third party home console game in Japan so far this gen... They had an initial shipment of 1m units. The last 150K of which are in bargin bins right now. Being the best-selling third party home console game in Japan so far this gen, while it sounds impressive, was not the measure of success for this game. This is not to say the game is a total failure. It is not a flop by any stretch of the imagination. Bionic Commando sold just a fraction of what was expected. That was a flop. This game could still reach 80%+ of expectations if you include the inevitable special edition, and the game sells decently in the West. And then the PSP remake will probably sell 2.5m in Japan alone. The game is just not lighting up the charts like some are still pretending it is.

Just because Capcom expects 2 million doesn't mean that it should reach 2 million.  Not even Capcom knew how much of the popularity of the PSP games was gonna transfer to consoles, they just took a guess.  The only way it didn't sell well is if Capcom could have done something to make the sales better (i dunno, what do you think?).  If this is the best sales they can get on a console, then how can you even call it dissapointing?  If we had a history of MH games on consoles selling more than a million I would understand, but we don't. 

About the initial shipments, that is retailer expectations.  I don't know how many times this has to be said.  If the shipments are 500k it doesn't mean that Capcom expected it to sell 500k, it means retailers underestimated the demand for the game.  Like, d'uh should be headed in your direction, not ours.  If developers would control how many games were shipped every game would be a million seller.  The retailers are the ones taking the risk of them not being sold, not Capcom.

johnsobas said: lazyrider said: hanafuda said: lazyrider said:     Well he didn't say it had a hard time selling, he said it is not in short supply.  I think we can agree on that, at least the white CC bundle is not in short supply.  MH3 is still moving though, no need for anecdotal evidence for that.

Correct, he never said. I guess I just assumed that that was the point of his thread (and one should never assume as it makes an "ass" of "u" and "me).

johnsobas said: Erik Aston said: So many defenders of this game's sales. If Capcom says they want to ship 2m WW, and says the initial shipment for Japan is 1m, one can assume they wanted to sell significantly more than 1m in Japan. Like, d'uh. It was expected that the game would be the best-selling third party home console game in Japan so far this gen... They had an initial shipment of 1m units. The last 150K of which are in bargin bins right now. Being the best-selling third party home console game in Japan so far this gen, while it sounds impressive, was not the measure of success for this game. This is not to say the game is a total failure. It is not a flop by any stretch of the imagination. Bionic Commando sold just a fraction of what was expected. That was a flop. This game could still reach 80%+ of expectations if you include the inevitable special edition, and the game sells decently in the West. And then the PSP remake will probably sell 2.5m in Japan alone. The game is just not lighting up the charts like some are still pretending it is. Just because Capcom expects 2 million doesn't mean that it should reach 2 million.  Not even Capcom knew how much of the popularity of the PSP games was gonna transfer to consoles, they just took a guess.  The only way it didn't sell well is if Capcom could have done something to make the sales better (i dunno, what do you think?).  If this is the best sales they can get on a console, then how can you even call it dissapointing?  If we had a history of MH games on consoles selling more than a million I would understand, but we don't.  About the initial shipments, that is retailer expectations.  I don't know how many times this has to be said.  If the shipments are 500k it doesn't mean that Capcom expected it to sell 500k, it means retailers underestimated the demand for the game.  Like, d'uh should be headed in your direction, not ours.  If developers would control how many games were shipped every game would be a million seller.  The retailers are the ones taking the risk of them not being sold, not Capcom.

Sure, but Capcom have told investors they plan to sell 2 million copies of the game (at full price I might add). If they don't then they they have missed their target.

hanafuda said: johnsobas said: Erik Aston said: So many defenders of this game's sales. If Capcom says they want to ship 2m WW, and says the initial shipment for Japan is 1m, one can assume they wanted to sell significantly more than 1m in Japan. Like, d'uh. It was expected that the game would be the best-selling third party home console game in Japan so far this gen... They had an initial shipment of 1m units. The last 150K of which are in bargin bins right now. Being the best-selling third party home console game in Japan so far this gen, while it sounds impressive, was not the measure of success for this game. This is not to say the game is a total failure. It is not a flop by any stretch of the imagination. Bionic Commando sold just a fraction of what was expected. That was a flop. This game could still reach 80%+ of expectations if you include the inevitable special edition, and the game sells decently in the West. And then the PSP remake will probably sell 2.5m in Japan alone. The game is just not lighting up the charts like some are still pretending it is. Just because Capcom expects 2 million doesn't mean that it should reach 2 million.  Not even Capcom knew how much of the popularity of the PSP games was gonna transfer to consoles, they just took a guess.  The only way it didn't sell well is if Capcom could have done something to make the sales better (i dunno, what do you think?).  If this is the best sales they can get on a console, then how can you even call it dissapointing?  If we had a history of MH games on consoles selling more than a million I would understand, but we don't.  About the initial shipments, that is retailer expectations.  I don't know how many times this has to be said.  If the shipments are 500k it doesn't mean that Capcom expected it to sell 500k, it means retailers underestimated the demand for the game.  Like, d'uh should be headed in your direction, not ours.  If developers would control how many games were shipped every game would be a million seller.  The retailers are the ones taking the risk of them not being sold, not Capcom. Sure, but Capcom have told investors they plan to sell 2 million copies of the game (at full price I might add). If they don't then they they have missed their target.

If you think the price that the game sells at effects how money capcom brings in... I gotta say you are the last person that should be talking investment and buisness stuff.

hanafuda said: johnsobas said: Erik Aston said: So many defenders of this game's sales. If Capcom says they want to ship 2m WW, and says the initial shipment for Japan is 1m, one can assume they wanted to sell significantly more than 1m in Japan. Like, d'uh. It was expected that the game would be the best-selling third party home console game in Japan so far this gen... They had an initial shipment of 1m units. The last 150K of which are in bargin bins right now. Being the best-selling third party home console game in Japan so far this gen, while it sounds impressive, was not the measure of success for this game. This is not to say the game is a total failure. It is not a flop by any stretch of the imagination. Bionic Commando sold just a fraction of what was expected. That was a flop. This game could still reach 80%+ of expectations if you include the inevitable special edition, and the game sells decently in the West. And then the PSP remake will probably sell 2.5m in Japan alone. The game is just not lighting up the charts like some are still pretending it is. Just because Capcom expects 2 million doesn't mean that it should reach 2 million.  Not even Capcom knew how much of the popularity of the PSP games was gonna transfer to consoles, they just took a guess.  The only way it didn't sell well is if Capcom could have done something to make the sales better (i dunno, what do you think?).  If this is the best sales they can get on a console, then how can you even call it dissapointing?  If we had a history of MH games on consoles selling more than a million I would understand, but we don't.  About the initial shipments, that is retailer expectations.  I don't know how many times this has to be said.  If the shipments are 500k it doesn't mean that Capcom expected it to sell 500k, it means retailers underestimated the demand for the game.  Like, d'uh should be headed in your direction, not ours.  If developers would control how many games were shipped every game would be a million seller.  The retailers are the ones taking the risk of them not being sold, ot Capcom. Sure, but Capcom have told investors they plan to sell 2 million copies of the game (at full price I might add). If they don't then they they have missed their target.

Perhaps we're not talking about investors but we're actually talking about sales potential being met.  I don't believe the market is there in Japan for the game to sell that much on any console. 

Kasz216 said: hanafuda said: johnsobas said: Erik Aston said: So many defenders of this game's sales. If Capcom says they want to ship 2m WW, and says the initial shipment for Japan is 1m, one can assume they wanted to sell significantly more than 1m in Japan. Like, d'uh. It was expected that the game would be the best-selling third party home console game in Japan so far this gen... They had an initial shipment of 1m units. The last 150K of which are in bargin bins right now. Being the best-selling third party home console game in Japan so far this gen, while it sounds impressive, was not the measure of success for this game. This is not to say the game is a total failure. It is not a flop by any stretch of the imagination. Bionic Commando sold just a fraction of what was expected. That was a flop. This game could still reach 80%+ of expectations if you include the inevitable special edition, and the game sells decently in the West. And then the PSP remake will probably sell 2.5m in Japan alone. The game is just not lighting up the charts like some are still pretending it is. Just because Capcom expects 2 million doesn't mean that it should reach 2 million.  Not even Capcom knew how much of the popularity of the PSP games was gonna transfer to consoles, they just took a guess.  The only way it didn't sell well is if Capcom could have done something to make the sales better (i dunno, what do you think?).  If this is the best sales they can get on a console, then how can you even call it dissapointing?  If we had a history of MH games on consoles selling more than a million I would understand, but we don't.  About the initial shipments, that is retailer expectations.  I don't know how many times this has to be said.  If the shipments are 500k it doesn't mean that Capcom expected it to sell 500k, it means retailers underestimated the demand for the game.  Like, d'uh should be headed in your direction, not ours.  If developers would control how many games were shipped every game would be a million seller.  The retailers are the ones taking the risk of them not being sold, not Capcom. Sure, but Capcom have told investors they plan to sell 2 million copies of the game (at full price I might add). If they don't then they they have missed their target. If you think the price that the game sells at effects how money capcom brings in... I gotta say you are the last person that should be talking investment and buisness stuff.

If you think Capcom can sell further JPN shipments undiscounted, I gotta say you..........

does it matter at what price it sells at? like people said it aint exacty THAT much of a bargain.

800K in 4 weeks is pretty damn good. People these days have unrealistic expectations.

What did you think it would reach 10million by now at full price?

Hell alot of Wii games here in aus when they launch now come out under the $100AU mark, otherwise people don't buy them as most in times like this do not wish to spend $100 on a game but yet they will pay 70-90.

Bic Camera is having a huge sale aren't they, so the discounted price is due to that 10% off sale. not doubting that they may not be in crazy shortages like many have said.

Cobretti2 said: does it matter at what price it sells at? like people said it aint exacty THAT much of a bargain. 800K in 4 weeks is pretty damn good. People these days have unrealistic expectations. What did you think it would reach 10million by now at full price? Hell alot of Wii games here in aus when they launch now come out under the $100AU mark, otherwise people don't buy them as most in times like this do not wish to spend $100 on a game but yet they will pay 70-90.

1)  This site is VGChartz..  If you are Capcom or a retailer then it matters what price it sells at, yes.  This particular bundle is discounted somewhat.  The standalone version has been discounted by as much as 59%.  That is huge.  Capcom are said to have shipped 1 mil copies of the game in Japan.  It's now being heavily discounted.  If Capcom do get to make another shipment, they will have to sell the games to retailers at significantly LESS than they did for the original shipment.  THIS IS LOST REVENUE.

If you are a consumer then it matters at what price it sells at.  The cheaper the better.

So either way, it matters.  I can't really see why you would think it doesn't.

2)  I'm sure Capcom are pleased that you think that 800K is pretty damn good.  Unfortunately, they told investors that they expect to sell 2 million copies of the game (non-discounted).  If they don't do this then they miss their targets and the product has underperformed.  The company has not made the revenue / profit that it predicted it would.  Invenstors will NOT think that this is pretty damn good.  Nor will Capcom.  This title is critical for Capcom in this period.

3)  It does not matter what I thought it would or wouldn't sell. 

hanafuda said: Cobretti2 said: does it matter at what price it sells at? like people said it aint exacty THAT much of a bargain. 800K in 4 weeks is pretty damn good. People these days have unrealistic expectations. What did you think it would reach 10million by now at full price? Hell alot of Wii games here in aus when they launch now come out under the $100AU mark, otherwise people don't buy them as most in times like this do not wish to spend $100 on a game but yet they will pay 70-90. 1)  This site is VGChartz..  If you are Capcom or a retailer then it matters what price it sells at, yes.  This particular bundle is discounted somewhat.  The standalone version has been discounted by as much as 59%.  That is huge.  Capcom are said to have shipped 1 mil copies of the game in Japan.  It's now being heavily discounted.  If Capcom do get to make another shipment, they will have to sell the games to retailers at significantly LESS than they did for the original shipment.  THIS IS LOST REVENUE. If you are a consumer then it matters at what price it sells at.  The cheaper the better. So either way, it matters.  I can't really see why you would think it doesn't. 2)  I'm sure Capcom are pleased that you think that 800K is pretty damn good.  Unfortunately, they told investors that they expect to sell 2 million copies of the game (non-discounted).  If they don't do this then they miss their targets and the product has underperformed.  The company has not made the revenue / profit that it predicted it would.  Invenstors will NOT think that this is pretty damn good.  Nor will Capcom.  This title is critical for Capcom in this period. 3)  It does not matter what I thought it would or wouldn't sell.

would it matter to capcom. they shipped 1million and got thir money for it already so in there eyes it has sold at full. the 2million would be a world figure not a japanese one.
if the 2million was a japanese one than that guy who made that estimate should get fired.the standalone version was discounted by that much because every wanted the bundle so the bundle sold out and that one didn't. Capcom stuffed up on that part.