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JEDE3 on 24 August 2009
Soriku said:

Scamco!

Dodece said:
@ZenfoldorVGI

Your wasting your time, because they don't see it you know. All this thread was is a giant downplay of the loss. Either you look at it either they were irrational then and are rational now, or they were rational then and are irrational now. The difference is the propaganda value, and that is all. They even attack the writer of the article for taking them at their word. They proclaimed these two developers a couple years ago. How was the author to know it was just drivel to overcome a huge case of buyers remorse.

Somehow Folklore which was proclaimed the best role playing game on the console, and Heavenly Sword which was the best action game on the console. Are suddenly not major losses. They are even insinuating that they were utterly expendable. Talk about having the good old love them then leave them attitude.

 
So wait...Sony lost these guys who made PS3 games to Namco who...makes PS3 games? Sure their games will be multiplatform, but so what?


coming from a nintendo fan dodce should realize he doesnt know what he is talking about and stfu

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crak-a-lak on 24 August 2009

Ninja Theory Developed Heavenly Sword but I dont believe Sony owned them. They maybe just funded the development of Heavenly Sword. I could swear that Ninja Theory also develops the Ninja Gaiden Series for both 360 and PS3. I dont believe Insomniac or Naughty Dog is owned by Sony. They just have a great relationship.



PS3 FTW

crak-a-lak on 24 August 2009

I was wrong Team Ninja developed the Ninja Gaiden Series.



PS3 FTW

Zuhyc on 24 August 2009

I thought Bandai Namco robbed the Sony HQ when i read the title



makingmusic476 on 24 August 2009
Dodece said:
@ZenfoldorVGI

Your wasting your time, because they don't see it you know. All this thread was is a giant downplay of the loss. Either you look at it either they were irrational then and are rational now, or they were rational then and are irrational now. The difference is the propaganda value, and that is all. They even attack the writer of the article for taking them at their word. They proclaimed these two developers a couple years ago. How was the author to know it was just drivel to overcome a huge case of buyers remorse.

Somehow Folklore which was proclaimed the best role playing game on the console, and Heavenly Sword which was the best action game on the console. Are suddenly not major losses. They are even insinuating that they were utterly expendable. Talk about having the good old love them then leave them attitude.

Just let it die.



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Tbone on 24 August 2009

U can put it how u want, like Soriku said the games will turn up on ps3 anyway.



 

JEDE3 on 24 August 2009
CGI-Quality said:
makingmusic476 said:
Dodece said:
@ZenfoldorVGI

Your wasting your time, because they don't see it you know. All this thread was is a giant downplay of the loss. Either you look at it either they were irrational then and are rational now, or they were rational then and are irrational now. The difference is the propaganda value, and that is all. They even attack the writer of the article for taking them at their word. They proclaimed these two developers a couple years ago. How was the author to know it was just drivel to overcome a huge case of buyers remorse.

Somehow Folklore which was proclaimed the best role playing game on the console, and Heavenly Sword which was the best action game on the console. Are suddenly not major losses. They are even insinuating that they were utterly expendable. Talk about having the good old love them then leave them attitude.

Just let it die.

Please do, especially since this thread was to just INFORM of the loss, not downplay it.


...I could be mistaken... but isn't heavenly sword and Folklore still exclusive to the Ps3? so what exactly was lost in this transaction? because in dodces post it would seem like those two titles were.



outlawauron on 24 August 2009
ZenfoldorVGI said:
outlawauron said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
CGI-Quality said:
In fact, I REALLY don't see how these were two of Sony's better non-owned developers. Sure Heavenly Sword is fantastic, as is Folklore. But these two developers are even that well known amongst the Sony community, so I don't get it.

And Sony owns all these company's IPs, they could just get one of their own studios, or other 2nd Party studios to take them over...

I'm sorry, but BS. Real Sony fans survived off of Heavenly Sword and Folklore for a solid year. Those games were and still are amazing, and two of my favorite PS3 exclusives.

Sure, those two might not be as important financially, as other Sony exclusives, but for guys like you and I, we really know that these are some of the better developers in the industry, even if they don't necessarily shine amongst Sony's top talent. Shit, imagine how good FL or HS would be with the budget they gave to Gurilla for KZ2.

You see my point, I know. Don't flame the damn developers over this shit. It's wrong.

What?! Heavenly Sword and Folklore were not the largest titles in 2007. Not close. Folklore was largely ignored and Heavenly Sword was beaten to bits.

I didn't say that. I said they were the two games we survived off of, as PS3 owners. In fact, I specifially mentioned that they weren't that big financially. People who knew what to play, played those games, though.

Although, no one is flaming the developers and if what you said is true, then too few know what to play as only 200k copies of Folklore were sold. I would say you'd have a stronger case for Warhawk moreso than Folklore though. Warhawk still has a fanbase that plays still.



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outlawauron on 24 August 2009
Dodece said:
@ZenfoldorVGI

Your wasting your time, because they don't see it you know. All this thread was is a giant downplay of the loss. Either you look at it either they were irrational then and are rational now, or they were rational then and are irrational now. The difference is the propaganda value, and that is all. They even attack the writer of the article for taking them at their word. They proclaimed these two developers a couple years ago. How was the author to know it was just drivel to overcome a huge case of buyers remorse.

Somehow Folklore which was proclaimed the best role playing game on the console, and Heavenly Sword which was the best action game on the console. Are suddenly not major losses. They are even insinuating that they were utterly expendable. Talk about having the good old love them then leave them attitude.

At the time, I completely agree with you!

But this isn't a loss. Both teams are making games for the PS3 and neither dev studio belonged to Sony in the first place. How can they be robbed when they were never a possesion in the first place, and when they're still producing for Sony's platform.



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ZenfoldorVGI on 24 August 2009
outlawauron said:

Although, no one is flaming the developers and if what you said is true, then too few know what to play as only 200k copies of Folklore were sold. I would say you'd have a stronger case for Warhawk moreso than Folklore though. Warhawk still has a fanbase that plays still.

There are casuals and core gamers.

However, there are two distinct groups within the core gamer mold.

I hesitate to call them n00b and l33t, so lets just call them "casual core gamers" and "niche gamers."

Niche gamers don't play games from a certain genre, just because of said genre. They also don't base their purchasing decisions off of reviews or generally held beliefs. These gamers purchase and enjoy games that they investigate and research. Games that will appeal to them.

Those gamers know what I'm talking about.

Just because something only sells 200,000 doesn't doesn't mean it's not the best game ever made.

Think about it. Wonder to yourself why the term "hidden gem" even exists. What does that imply?

Warhawk, I have no comment, and as CGI always like to remind me, my opinion is mine alone....but my opinion extends far beyond my gaming tastes, and reaches all the way over to your opinion, and judges it harshly.

@OP, it's not a loss unless the games aren't on PS3, and the whole "game woulda looked better were it PS3 exclusive" argument is imo, horseshit, and always has been. 2 games look better than Gears 2 on the PS3, and Heavenly Sword ain't one of em.



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