Kwaad said: http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/ Feed your HD-DVD vs BluRay hunger, in competition at Amazon.com!   Also, Nearly, 2million PS3 sales? 2Million? Nearly? That means under 2 million... I think he's smoking something good. Because worldwide numbers are what he is counting for everything... and you count worldwide, it's NEARLY 5million. EDIT: Btw, mister, do your numbers for HD-DVD include the addon for the 360? (sorry I cant help myself)

 if you read carefully, the source says it is based off of NPD numbers, so why would you include WW PS3 sales when looking at NA numbers?

 Anyways, it still doesn't matter who is selling more at the moment, until sales reach much higher numbers.

Well the only thing I know is that I'm buying Transformers on the 16 for HD-DVD.

This holiday is going to be a big step toward the end of the format war. HD DVD has Paramount/Dreamworks on its back now and a player that is only $179 out for the holidays. Quality is near identical and HD DVD discs are less expensive with somewhat better menus. With Sony's PS3 woes and Blu-ray cost, storage capacity aside, looks like it could go either way.

clandecyon said: This holiday is going to be a big step toward the end of the format war. HD DVD has Paramount/Dreamworks on its back now and a player that is only $179 out for the holidays. Quality is near identical and HD DVD discs are less expensive with somewhat better menus. With Sony's PS3 woes and Blu-ray cost, storage capacity aside, looks like it could go either way.

Your right, but the problem is, there are I think, dont quote me, under 1million stand alone HD players... worldwide, BOTH formats.

 

I dont care what HD-DVD does, unless they get to mass market (sub 100$USD) and BluRay is still above 300$, then they might have a chance. But it's not gonna happen. BluRay is slated to win this war already. If the PS3 was the only BluRay player, I would still say, Bluray has already won. 

I really don't think BluRay is slated to win the war. To me It looks like it's still in the air. I also think that the other format may still come out, that will play in both HD-DVD and BluRay. If that happens then it really doesn't matter.

Kwaad said: clandecyon said: This holiday is going to be a big step toward the end of the format war. HD DVD has Paramount/Dreamworks on its back now and a player that is only $179 out for the holidays. Quality is near identical and HD DVD discs are less expensive with somewhat better menus. With Sony's PS3 woes and Blu-ray cost, storage capacity aside, looks like it could go either way. Your right, but the problem is, there are I think, dont quote me, under 1million stand alone HD players... worldwide, BOTH formats.   I dont care what HD-DVD does, unless they get to mass market (sub 100$USD) and BluRay is still above 300$, then they might have a chance. But it's not gonna happen. BluRay is slated to win this war already. If the PS3 was the only BluRay player, I would still say, Bluray has already won.Â

Hey its kwaad. So now that BR isn't leading HDDVD like it used to it's all irrelevant now because the market is so small. Isn't that what more sane less Sony fanboyish people were saying back when BR supporters were dancing on HDDVD's grave a couple months ago? I'll agree with you this time, it doesn't matter much. When annual HDDVD+BR movie sales can surpass the single day sales of major DVD titles then we can maybe talk about which is ahead.

yeah, the HD format war is still too much up for grabs. Thats the main reason i havent invested in either.

Yes, PS3 does effect the number of blu ray discs sold, but there was a study a little bit ago dealing with a bunch of questions having to do with video games and consoles and what not, asking people who owned the systems and know about their capabilities, questions like how many people knew xbox360 and ps3 had HD capabilities, could play dvds, videos, stuff like . one of them involved people who owned ps3s know they could play blu ray movies, and only a 3rd of knew they could.
In fact, the big thing about the studies is not even a majority of the people owning the systems (Wii, X360, PS3) knew of the capabilities of the system besides being able to play games. Hence the problems with advertising the systems(microsoft and sony) as "more then gaming systems"

people on VG forums know the capabilities, so this actually may seem highly unreliable that most people dont know what their systems can do. But the sad reality is, most people who own xbox and ps arent hardcore gamers that pay attention to shit like we do. If that were the case, you think the number of 360 sales would be up there if EVERYONE knew about RROD issues? no.

Essentially the problem is this, while companies like microsoft and sony try to make their systems into Home Entertainment Systems rather then gaming systems, people buy systems to play games. everything else is just extras. I mean, how many people here actually on a regular basis play movies on their systems, dvd or blue ray? i can probably count below twenty times, this generation and last include, that i used it as a dvd player, even when i had no other dvd player, for some reason i went out and bought one.

Back to topic, while the ps3 is pushing blu ray discs, theres still a part of me saying that sony shouldnt rely on it to win this format war.

Kwaad said: what a friggin 'swing'. 100% pro HD-DVD. and then this at the end, basically saying. 'Yeah, HD-DVD is getting it's ass handed to it, but I like HD-DVD! YAY!' (quote) However, the statistics do not include Sony's PlayStation 3, which has a Blu-ray player inside. If PS3's nearly two million unit sales were included, Blu-ray would have a wide advantage over HD DVD.(/quote)

 Except that a few surveys done showed that 80%+ of the PS3 owners surveyed didn't even know it could play BR movies.. 

 

clandecyon said: This holiday is going to be a big step toward the end of the format war. HD DVD has Paramount/Dreamworks on its back now and a player that is only $179 out for the holidays. Quality is near identical and HD DVD discs are less expensive with somewhat better menus. With Sony's PS3 woes and Blu-ray cost, storage capacity aside, looks like it could go either way.

 i really wish people would just keep to themselves if they have no idea what theyre talking about. There is no point in argueing as its clear some people just arent in reality on this issue.

There is no $179 player, nor has one EVER BEEN MENTIONED, if youre talking the venturer which is up for presale on Target for $250, then perhaps you need to get your "facts" checked. http://www.target.com/Venturer-HD-DVD-Player-SHD7000/dp/B000W7O43U/sr=1-1/qid=1192041380/ref=sr_1_1/602-6862406-4258254?ie=UTF8&index=target&rh=k%3Aventurer&page=1

And HD DVD discs are NOT cheaper, because of the combos, it makes the MSRP $5 more than the standard BD versions.

thats the problem with this whoel format war crap, we get kids like Clandecyon who buy into the Sony hatred and brand loyalty too much that they just accept anything they see with tunnel vision and eat it hook line and sinker, and salepeople do the same thin...then we get poster liek him who spread the crap I have bolded, which isnt even true at all and it reverberates around to general message boards and then moron bloggers pick it up which then leads to more links of the misinformation.

albionus said: Kwaad said: clandecyon said: This holiday is going to be a big step toward the end of the format war. HD DVD has Paramount/Dreamworks on its back now and a player that is only $179 out for the holidays. Quality is near identical and HD DVD discs are less expensive with somewhat better menus. With Sony's PS3 woes and Blu-ray cost, storage capacity aside, looks like it could go either way. Your right, but the problem is, there are I think, dont quote me, under 1million stand alone HD players... worldwide, BOTH formats.   I dont care what HD-DVD does, unless they get to mass market (sub 100$USD) and BluRay is still above 300$, then they might have a chance. But it's not gonna happen. BluRay is slated to win this war already. If the PS3 was the only BluRay player, I would still say, Bluray has already won. Hey its kwaad. So now that BR isn't leading HDDVD like it used to it's all irrelevant now because the market is so small. Isn't that what more sane less Sony fanboyish people were saying back when BR supporters were dancing on HDDVD's grave a couple months ago? I'll agree with you this time, it doesn't matter much. When annual HDDVD+BR movie sales can surpass the single day sales of major DVD titles then we can maybe talk about which is ahead.

wtf are you talking about, months ago the SAL ratio was worse (see my above post for some actual FACTS why dont you) BD supporters have been chiming in that teh PS3 factor is real and thats hwy we see increased software ratios, yet Toshiba and HD DVD liek to leave the PS3 out as if its a non factor.

the general public never even KNEW that BD SAL's took over the ratio until today when the DVD forum announed HD DVD "regained" the lead. You have no ****** clue what youre talking about, you just want to try to jump on the bandwagon here and try to belittle kwadd and hat eon Sony, its funny because you have NO IDEA what youre even argueing, all you know is that its cool to make fun of the PS3, BD and Sony here so you jump all over it.

Youre argueing that this news is GOOD for HD DVD when the announced ratio have DECREASED since april DRAMATICALLY...youre oblivious and its realy really sad/funny.