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Hey zexen and if those of us not in the developing world stopped buy the games and just pirated who would be making the games for them to pirate elsewhere?

Fayce But by taking up space, you are taking up a resource that could be used elsewhere. It more like using a different lower cost method to get to your destination instead of buying a plane ticket. Pirated software is a rival good. A very good rival good since the product is at least as good, and at a far better price.

but it's not using something different when you copy you are using the very same thing they made only just taking the digital form of it. You think that just because you aren't having a physical effect it makes have no effect on the product you've stolen? No because you aren't doing something new or offering an alternative you are just taking what someone made and giving it away for free. It's not like you make a similar game or movie or song and charge less for it. YOU take what someone already made make copies and give it away.



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FayeC said:
amp316 said:
zexen_lowe said:
I won't post my thoughts on piracy because everyone on this site knows them. I just think that those stalwart anti-piracy defenders might wanna try to live some years in a third-world country. Let's see how much you oppose piracy when what you earn isn't enough to buy a single original game

I can't afford a Ferrari and want one so what should I do? 

Well if you can manage a free one, while not taking some one else's car then I suggest you do it! If you could in fact pull a farrari out of thin air, you certainly would not need to buy one anymore, but its silly to say you stole something that would not have exisited had it not been for your own efforts.

If I and everyone else did that, it would hurt the manufacturer and then Ferraris would not exist anymore.  

Pirating games does the same thing.  It takes money out of the manufacturer's pocket and hurts the gaming industry.  



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superchunk said:
NJ5 said:
It all depends on whether you would have bought the game if you hadn't pirated it.

This is to all of you who make the same illogical arguement.

You're still stealing the profit that could be earned. If you want to try the game out, play the demo. If you really want to play the full game

1. buy it new

2. buy it used from ebay for far less

3. get an account from one of those online renters

Basically, any time you gain a copy you did not some how pay for, you are stealing from the people who created it. There is no way around that simple fact.

If your logic held true, you could take that 60" HDTV, since you wouldn't have bought it anyways.

Your logic isnt very sound - Why is this user stealing profit buy pirating a game he wouldn't have bought anyway? If anything its a free as since this person could by a sequal or DLC for the game. In fact, even if they pirate the DLC and the sequal what has the company lost except the opportunity to sell him a game? That opportunity can't be assigned a numerical value the way so many try to.

 

If you would encorage them to buy used then your position isnt very steady, as that makes the people that created the game just as much money  as a pirated copy  would. Pirated games, like used games are rival goods to new games.



Alterego-X said:

Hey, my thread!

1. As others pointed out, 1 pirated copy=/= 1 lost sale
I'm poor, I'm 19, and I literally get $5 pocket money for a month. I managed to get a used gaming PC for christmas+birthday, and that's it. If there would be a failsafe anti-piracy protection, I would quit gaming, with no other option.

2. If you could COPY an expensive car, would you do it? That would hurt the manufacturers too, but this awesome ability to copy anything would naturally re-shape the economy anyways.

The informational revolution changes the rules of traditional copyright. Information is no longer the power of a few, to be witheld.
Publishers must find incomes from new sources, like advertisments, selling hardware, or other actual services with the bare software "information", and possibly making cheaper games.
Musicians can get money from concerts, movies from the cinemas, etc.

3. I'm not that amused by the current state of the industry, a crash would probably benefit it.
Even if I would have money, there would be only a very few games that I would consider worthy of buying. I game, because I'm bored and I don't have anything better to do, but I actually hate where gaming is going, and the current blockbuster trend. They are spending 10s of millions on mediocre games, and they are surprised when they go bankrupt.

I was hoping you would find this. I didn't want to put your name out there, but now its obvious where I got the image from.

1. Get a better job. I left my parents house when I was 17, still finished High School, put myself through college, and now make a very good income. Did I stop buy/playing games while I was dirt poor sometimes without food in my crappy overly populated apartment? No. I saved and bought used games.

 There is no fail safe anti-piracy and that is stupid logic anyways. If it weren't for the thief, i.e. you, they wouldn't need to spend millions on anti-piracy software. That savings combined with the lack of a need to make profit on stolen items, game prices could come down so you could afford them on your lower budget.

2. No. Its stealing. I am not returning any compensation for someone else's hard work. I spend months writing code so an end application can be useful to others I work with. I get compensated for my work. If my product was easily made free for everyone, my company would get no more sales and I would lose my income. Thus my three children wouldn't have the ability to live in a safe home with a decent school.

This is not information being withheld. This isn't black rooms where what you don't know is hurting you. This is someone else's decade of education being used to create a product that gives enjoyment to so many others. This is a product that they sweated and stressed over for years to complete, just to watch pricks walk away with it without so much as a thank you.

Regardless if it is a car, movie, shirt, gold bar, etc. If you didn't somehow compensate the entity who created it, its stealing.

3. This entire paragraph shows your just an immature child. I can't wait for the day to come when somethign similar causes you major loss and you realize that stealing, regardless of the item, is still stealing and never justified. btw, if you game just because you're bored, there are thousands of free games on the internet; play those and gtfo of my hobby.



amp316 said:
FayeC said:
amp316 said:
zexen_lowe said:
I won't post my thoughts on piracy because everyone on this site knows them. I just think that those stalwart anti-piracy defenders might wanna try to live some years in a third-world country. Let's see how much you oppose piracy when what you earn isn't enough to buy a single original game

I can't afford a Ferrari and want one so what should I do? 

Well if you can manage a free one, while not taking some one else's car then I suggest you do it! If you could in fact pull a farrari out of thin air, you certainly would not need to buy one anymore, but its silly to say you stole something that would not have exisited had it not been for your own efforts.

If I and everyone else did that, it would hurt the manufacturer and then Ferraris would not exist anymore.  

Pirating games does the same thing.  It takes money out of the manufacturer's pocket and hurts the gaming industry.  

But it doesnt take money out of anyone's pocket. It doesnt take ANYTHING anywhere. It creates a new product, one that didnt exist before, and one that certainly can't "belong" to some one else.

 

If anything, it serves to help the consumer. By making sure the consumer gets a fair deal on games, the industy is made stronger. Used games do this similarly. When someone buys a used game for 5 bucks less than the new copy, its almost a sure thing they think the new game is too expensive.



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zexen_lowe said:
I won't post my thoughts on piracy because everyone on this site knows them. I just think that those stalwart anti-piracy defenders might wanna try to live some years in a third-world country. Let's see how much you oppose piracy when what you earn isn't enough to buy a single original game

This is stupid.

Just because you can't afford it, doesn't mean you deserve to take it. My family lived for 5 years in Palestine. Not a whole lot of cheap games there. But, you know what they lived and still got games the legal way. Saving. buying used. having family abroad buy them and ship them over.

Plus, I bet most people who have time in 3rd world countries to play games, have family with enough money to buy one every so often.



I think that was supposed to be a joke.... Anyway I just laughed at it. Nothing works even if you rant. I've tried but I just got older and nothing got solved.





but it's not using something different when you copy you are using the very same thing they made only just taking the digital form of it. You think that just because you aren't having a physical effect it makes have no effect on the product you've stolen? No because you aren't doing something new or offering an alternative you are just taking what someone made and giving it away for free. It's not like you make a similar game or movie or song and charge less for it. YOU take what someone already made make copies and give it away.

If I steal a disc off the shelf, then the store is out a copy. They are out that money they could have made on the copy. That is a solid loss. I can be assigned a monetary value.

Of I pirate an iso of that disc, then the store is out the money i might have spent to buy the game, this is not a monetary value and is not a loss. Is sony out of the price of a PS3 because i bought a 360 instead? No, its a rival good.



FayeC said:
superchunk said:
NJ5 said:
It all depends on whether you would have bought the game if you hadn't pirated it.

This is to all of you who make the same illogical arguement.

You're still stealing the profit that could be earned. If you want to try the game out, play the demo. If you really want to play the full game

1. buy it new

2. buy it used from ebay for far less

3. get an account from one of those online renters

Basically, any time you gain a copy you did not some how pay for, you are stealing from the people who created it. There is no way around that simple fact.

If your logic held true, you could take that 60" HDTV, since you wouldn't have bought it anyways.

Your logic isnt very sound - Why is this user stealing profit buy pirating a game he wouldn't have bought anyway? If anything its a free as since this person could by a sequal or DLC for the game. In fact, even if they pirate the DLC and the sequal what has the company lost except the opportunity to sell him a game? That opportunity can't be assigned a numerical value the way so many try to.

 

If you would encorage them to buy used then your position isnt very steady, as that makes the people that created the game just as much money  as a pirated copy  would. Pirated games, like used games are rival goods to new games.

If someone never stole games, they would eventually buy some since they like to play games. Thus, its lost profit somewhere in the chain.

Buying used allows someone else to recoup money spent on that single copy, with that they are able to buy another new game. That's why used is not the same as piracy and still good for the industry.



FayeC said:


but it's not using something different when you copy you are using the very same thing they made only just taking the digital form of it. You think that just because you aren't having a physical effect it makes have no effect on the product you've stolen? No because you aren't doing something new or offering an alternative you are just taking what someone made and giving it away for free. It's not like you make a similar game or movie or song and charge less for it. YOU take what someone already made make copies and give it away.

If I steal a disc off the shelf, then the store is out a copy. They are out that money they could have made on the copy. That is a solid loss. I can be assigned a monetary value.

Of I pirate an iso of that disc, then the store is out the money i might have spent to buy the game, this is not a monetary value and is not a loss. Is sony out of the price of a PS3 because i bought a 360 instead? No, its a rival good.

Just because there is a chance that you might not have bought the game and thus maybe no profit loss, doesn't make it ok. That's bullshit.

you also might have bought the game later. piracy is not a rival good. No competing company is making the money instead. money is not being transfered at all and the whole market loses.