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nen-suer on 11 August 2009

@L.C.E.C.

True, but they were trying to make the games run directly from the HDD

Just like they did with PSP+memory sticks



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L.C.E.C. on 11 August 2009
Ail said:
L.C.E.C. said:
@nen-suer: Piracy is possible, it's just not cost-effective yet because of Blu-Ray.



Actually that's not exact.

 

Blank Blu Ray costs under 2$ in Japan so the issue isn't the cost to write the Blu Ray.

 

The issue of cracking a PS3 is getting the PS3 to run unsigned code and that problem isn't so easy to solve...

That and downloading 30Gb for a game....

I'm fairl sure that they someone came up with custom firmware in 12/2007... Also, to rip & burn a PS3 game you need a Blu-Ray drive that you can rip & burn it from, so BR cost does have an effect.

But yeah, 30gb downloads over BT sound like a nightmare.

 

EDIT: Apparently MGS4 was 32gb uncompressed, so... Go figure...




FayeC on 11 August 2009
vlad321 said:
Wonktonodi said:
vlad321 said:

Another point.

Pirated copies of ANY media are far superior to the originals. They are better in EVERY way. I can make as many copies of them as I want. If I delete it to save room I can always get it again, at any point of time without any limitations. I can get a song in 30 seconds, a movie in 30 and a game in an hour WHILE cooking, cleaning, or whatever around the house. I have no restrictions on the copy whatsoever and I can do with it anything I want.

Funny, seems like the end product is far better when I get it for free, and infinitely superior than if I get legally and pay for it.

So... where's my incentive to pay for them? I'm basically getting a vastly inferior service and copy for more money. Somehow that seems VERY wrong to me.

Basically the companies expect me to pay for something with ridiculous restrictions, that is far more inconviniencing, and overall a worse product. Yeah... free market rules the best product wins, and pirated copies are far better than the legal ones. They could at least try to compete witht he feautres before they start bitching about the lsot sales. Maybe then I can show some sympathy.

So at what point do they stop making product because they have no incentive to just give it to you?  I'm sure there are many great games that never get made because of piracy.  I don't have numbers who can when you put an ulimited supply into a market for no cost you can't get numbers.  Or games that sucked could have been better if a company could have put more time into it.  We don't know all of this. 

I agree that companies should make it easier to enjoy the product however, you do understand that they can't make it as easy for you as the free copy because they don't want people to just keep making free copies and giving them away.

 

Until they start giving me the same benefits as those pirated copies, they won't get any sympathy from me. They whine and moan and bitch yet they aren't even trying to compete with this new form of "distribution." I'm not saying make it free, I'm saying make it at least as good, if not they can stick their legal copies with restrictoins aand crap where the sun don't shine.

Exactly. I'd support companies thay help make it worth my while to buy instead of pirate. I typically pirate psp titles but I bought Prinny because they included a stuffed Prinny as a bonus. Something I can touch and hold. Something more than data. I'll buy Persona for PSP for the same reason.



Wonktonodi on 11 August 2009

So many of those that pirate have this sense of self entitlement. If you like a game put your money where your mouth is. If you think things should be free. Make a great game for us and give it to us and make sure it's got good music, good game play and for me I do like good graphics but if you don't have the resources to program them why not just break into the studios and use their equipment while they aren't using it so you can make them comparable. Also do forget to make sure it doesn't have crazy glitches. I'm sorry if it takes you time to make it but it's a price I'm willing to pay. It's not my responsibility how you make money all I care about is what you make.



Euphoria14 on 11 August 2009

You don't want people to pirate games? Then ask them to release everything on PS3.



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nen-suer on 11 August 2009
Euphoria14 said:
You don't want people to pirate games? Then ask them to release everything on PS3.

you mean EXCLUSIVELY on the PS3



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Dgc1808 on 11 August 2009
Euphoria14 said:
Dgc1808 said:
Is it wrong if I pirate a japanese game that has 0 chance of ever coming stateside because I have no way to import it?

I just really wanted to play the game.


If it the only way you will ever be able to play it then I don't see the problem.

Blame the company for not releasing it for you to purchase.

Nice



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L.C.E.C. on 11 August 2009
nen-suer said:
Euphoria14 said:
You don't want people to pirate games? Then ask them to release everything on PS3.

you mean EXCLUSIVELY on the PS3

Wait, so Hideo Kojima hates Jesus?

0_0




Euphoria14 on 11 August 2009
Dgc1808 said:
Euphoria14 said:
Dgc1808 said:
Is it wrong if I pirate a japanese game that has 0 chance of ever coming stateside because I have no way to import it?

I just really wanted to play the game.


If it the only way you will ever be able to play it then I don't see the problem.

Blame the company for not releasing it for you to purchase.

Nice

It's true though.

Me needing to pirate Disaster Day of Crisis isn't my fault, it is the company's fault for not releasing it in the US. They obviously didn't care about my purchase anyways.

 

@non-suer

Headline will read :

"In an attempt to battle the outgoing piracy issue all developers are now releasing all of their games exclusively on the Playstation 3"

 

I think we have discovered the solution!

 

 

OT: 

You know what else would be nice? Nintendo giving us some damn demos.

 

 

 

 

 



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Wonktonodi on 11 August 2009
FayeC said:
vlad321 said:
Wonktonodi said:
vlad321 said:

Another point.

Pirated copies of ANY media are far superior to the originals. They are better in EVERY way. I can make as many copies of them as I want. If I delete it to save room I can always get it again, at any point of time without any limitations. I can get a song in 30 seconds, a movie in 30 and a game in an hour WHILE cooking, cleaning, or whatever around the house. I have no restrictions on the copy whatsoever and I can do with it anything I want.

Funny, seems like the end product is far better when I get it for free, and infinitely superior than if I get legally and pay for it.

So... where's my incentive to pay for them? I'm basically getting a vastly inferior service and copy for more money. Somehow that seems VERY wrong to me.

Basically the companies expect me to pay for something with ridiculous restrictions, that is far more inconviniencing, and overall a worse product. Yeah... free market rules the best product wins, and pirated copies are far better than the legal ones. They could at least try to compete witht he feautres before they start bitching about the lsot sales. Maybe then I can show some sympathy.

So at what point do they stop making product because they have no incentive to just give it to you?  I'm sure there are many great games that never get made because of piracy.  I don't have numbers who can when you put an ulimited supply into a market for no cost you can't get numbers.  Or games that sucked could have been better if a company could have put more time into it.  We don't know all of this. 

I agree that companies should make it easier to enjoy the product however, you do understand that they can't make it as easy for you as the free copy because they don't want people to just keep making free copies and giving them away.

 

Until they start giving me the same benefits as those pirated copies, they won't get any sympathy from me. They whine and moan and bitch yet they aren't even trying to compete with this new form of "distribution." I'm not saying make it free, I'm saying make it at least as good, if not they can stick their legal copies with restrictoins aand crap where the sun don't shine.

Exactly. I'd support companies thay help make it worth my while to buy instead of pirate. I typically pirate psp titles but I bought Prinny because they included a stuffed Prinny as a bonus. Something I can touch and hold. Something more than data. I'll buy Persona for PSP for the same reason.

How can they give you the same benefits as the free copy?  It's not economicaly viable for them.   For me once I've bought a copy of something I"m all for useing it how I want.  The law might not agree in that regard but if I've bought it I feel no guilt downloading it as well if I want a copy without restrictions.  I want there to be more good games so I pay for them.  For those that think only bad games make studios suffer and not piracy they are fooling themselves.  Bad games contribute but loss in revenue can contribute to a game being bad. 

They are competing.  There are many that are going to digital distribution only and those of us who used to be able to sell a game after having played it once or many many times.  We can't do that with Digital distribution and some of them are far harder to pirate.  So it makes me a bit less likely to get a game unless it will have a very good replay value or low price