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I guess piracy is one of the few things that can bring 360, PS3, and Wii users together.



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FayeC said:
I guess piracy is one of the few things that can bring 360, PS3, and Wii users together.

But shouldn't PS3 diehards promote piracy of the other consoles  since it is almost non-existant on the PS3?



@FayeC

Nope, PS3 is not hacked yet



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@nen-suer: Piracy is possible, it's just not cost-effective yet because of Blu-Ray.




vlad321 said:

Another point.

Pirated copies of ANY media are far superior to the originals. They are better in EVERY way. I can make as many copies of them as I want. If I delete it to save room I can always get it again, at any point of time without any limitations. I can get a song in 30 seconds, a movie in 30 and a game in an hour WHILE cooking, cleaning, or whatever around the house. I have no restrictions on the copy whatsoever and I can do with it anything I want.

Funny, seems like the end product is far better when I get it for free, and infinitely superior than if I get legally and pay for it.

So... where's my incentive to pay for them? I'm basically getting a vastly inferior service and copy for more money. Somehow that seems VERY wrong to me.

Basically the companies expect me to pay for something with ridiculous restrictions, that is far more inconviniencing, and overall a worse product. Yeah... free market rules the best product wins, and pirated copies are far better than the legal ones. They could at least try to compete witht he feautres before they start bitching about the lsot sales. Maybe then I can show some sympathy.

So at what point do they stop making product because they have no incentive to just give it to you?  I'm sure there are many great games that never get made because of piracy.  I don't have numbers who can when you put an ulimited supply into a market for no cost you can't get numbers.  Or games that sucked could have been better if a company could have put more time into it.  We don't know all of this. 

I agree that companies should make it easier to enjoy the product however, you do understand that they can't make it as easy for you as the free copy because they don't want people to just keep making free copies and giving them away.



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bardicverse said:
@Vlad 0 Incentive? Its simple - more piracy = less sales = no money for future titles. So the incentive to buy games is to ensure that games won't disappear outright. Would you like to see your favorite game series disappear from the planet because the studio went under?

Yeah ok, when your logic starts making sense then I'd believe it. Haven't seen that many studios going under because of piracy. Bad games make studios go under and I'm fine with them going away.

I want an incentive to buy the legal copy, not restrictions and inconviniences.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

L.C.E.C. said:
@nen-suer: Piracy is possible, it's just not cost-effective yet because of Blu-Ray.



Actually that's not exact.

 

Blank Blu Ray costs under 2$ in Japan so the issue isn't the cost to write the Blu Ray.

 

The issue of cracking a PS3 is getting the PS3 to run unsigned code and that problem isn't so easy to solve...

That and downloading 30Gb for a game....



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

Wonktonodi said:
vlad321 said:

Another point.

Pirated copies of ANY media are far superior to the originals. They are better in EVERY way. I can make as many copies of them as I want. If I delete it to save room I can always get it again, at any point of time without any limitations. I can get a song in 30 seconds, a movie in 30 and a game in an hour WHILE cooking, cleaning, or whatever around the house. I have no restrictions on the copy whatsoever and I can do with it anything I want.

Funny, seems like the end product is far better when I get it for free, and infinitely superior than if I get legally and pay for it.

So... where's my incentive to pay for them? I'm basically getting a vastly inferior service and copy for more money. Somehow that seems VERY wrong to me.

Basically the companies expect me to pay for something with ridiculous restrictions, that is far more inconviniencing, and overall a worse product. Yeah... free market rules the best product wins, and pirated copies are far better than the legal ones. They could at least try to compete witht he feautres before they start bitching about the lsot sales. Maybe then I can show some sympathy.

So at what point do they stop making product because they have no incentive to just give it to you?  I'm sure there are many great games that never get made because of piracy.  I don't have numbers who can when you put an ulimited supply into a market for no cost you can't get numbers.  Or games that sucked could have been better if a company could have put more time into it.  We don't know all of this. 

I agree that companies should make it easier to enjoy the product however, you do understand that they can't make it as easy for you as the free copy because they don't want people to just keep making free copies and giving them away.

 

Until they start giving me the same benefits as those pirated copies, they won't get any sympathy from me. They whine and moan and bitch yet they aren't even trying to compete with this new form of "distribution." I'm not saying make it free, I'm saying make it at least as good, if not they can stick their legal copies with restrictoins aand crap where the sun don't shine.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

vlad321 said:
bardicverse said:
@Vlad 0 Incentive? Its simple - more piracy = less sales = no money for future titles. So the incentive to buy games is to ensure that games won't disappear outright. Would you like to see your favorite game series disappear from the planet because the studio went under?

Yeah ok, when your logic starts making sense then I'd believe it. Haven't seen that many studios going under because of piracy. Bad games make studios go under and I'm fine with them going away.

I want an incentive to buy the legal copy, not restrictions and inconviniences.

 

And what's your incentive to buy a car instead of stealing it, or buying groceries instead of stealing them ?

None. You're just afraid of getting caught....

The only reason piracy is so rampant is that people believe there are so many of them doing it that noone will ever catch them ( the same way it was 30 years ago with driving under influence, everyone did it so who cared, well see what happens today when the cops get you...).

 

It's sad but piracy won't really stop until a decent system is put into place that will have people not do it for fear of getting caught...

 

As for used games sales the only way for publishers to reliably fight them is to move to a system closer to software used by business.

You don't own the software, you purchase the right to use it for a certain amount of time...

 

If I was a publisher I would do the following :

Sell cheaper version of games that require you to buy online an install key each time you want to run the game on different hardware.

Like I would sell my 60$ games for 40$ and sell the keys for 10$.

So I would only make 50$ of an original purchase but if someone was to sell their copy, I would still make 10$ of the new person playing the used game......( and that key would be sold online so I woudn't have to share those 10$ with any retailer or third party).



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

Ail said:
L.C.E.C. said:
@nen-suer: Piracy is possible, it's just not cost-effective yet because of Blu-Ray.



Actually that's not exact.

 

Blank Blu Ray costs under 2$ in Japan so the issue isn't the cost to write the Blu Ray.

 

The issue of cracking a PS3 is getting the PS3 to run unsigned code and that problem isn't so easy to solve...

That and downloading 30Gb for a game....

How much are blu-ray burners though? Much more expensive than somebody who would want to pirate games would pay I'm assuming. Also with compression space probably isn't a problem, and not every game is 30gb right?