I wish you would look at successful services that have been implemented by the government instead of focusing on the negatives.

You remind of the conservatives during Clement Attlee's tenure as primeminister, they all nay sayed at his plans for a healthcare reform saying it is a bad idea and refusing to look at positives and actively seeking out the negatives. And yet Atlee and Anuerin Bevan went ahead despite the opposition and created the National Health Service. And even today the NHS is one of Britains publicly funded services that most people are very happy/proud with, even the conservatives show support for it now because they have realised the value of such a service.

Sure it's "expensive" but it benefits everyone in Britain.

OH MY WORD!!! You have to be kidding me.

It SADDENS you to see so many liberls on VGChartz? Well soooorry that me being liberal means we will end up with a society of parasites and leeches milking the hard working. I'm liberal and I am not a leech or a lazy in any way what so ever, in fact I, like many liberals, are hard working and support many sound ideas, not just the silly socialist ones... Even if the right wing media like to make us out to be commies for supporting one or two slightly socialist services that benefit the nation rather than hinder it.

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I do sympathyse with the Sweden situation though, taxes their are high because of socialism and I don't support it to that extent at all.

Where did I blame socialism for the Holocaust.

I don't blame facism for the Holocaust either by the way.

I blame the people who committed the acts.

Socialism when put in a situation where it needs to either cut payments to stop programs like socialized healthcare... or take control of the buisnesses.... will take control of the buisnesses nearly every time.

Just like the Nazis did in their socialist policies.

You don't really need to define the nazi's economic policies because you can actually just look at what they did.

Well that's because the Healthcare bill is based off the Mass. plan... which is widely seen as a failure that only helped insurance companies.

UK is good. Im not deeply informed, but my impression is that it's a lot more conservative/liberal and much less socialist than Sweden in all areas, not just economical.

But thing is, Im afraid that the parlamentary democracy model has intrinsic 'flaws', and since the system is still quite young, we don't know what the future holds. There's a certain psychology and dynamic in the wellfare state that I have a hard time explain right now. The phenomena of an ever expanding state, the temptation of politicians to play Sim City and the phenomena of a negative spiral economically, where the wellfare state makes people passive and dependant on the government in the long run, they rely too much on the government, people have less and less incentives to work (not just because of taxes, but other destructive factors too), ppl start to become 'leechy' in their mentality, everyone just wants more and more priviliges from the government and guards his own specific interests etc. And when you have reached a certain proportion of leeches, the majority of people will want ever increasing taxes because they will gain so much from it - they realize that they pay less in taxes than they get back from the welfare state though all kinds of powerful subsidies, economical support, measures etc. Kinda like the nanny state.

And once this development has started there's no point of return, it will collapse - not bringing a dooms day, but the society will become unharmonic and immoral etc, there'll be tensions and ppl will just blame each and everyone. Lying and cheating will make you successful, not hard work and honesty.

Sweden having been dominated by social democrats for so long, is at the forefront of this development but I see this progression everywhere in the west and we're going in the wrong direction. Thats why Im sceptical to Obama, not because of his current policies per se, but more about the process he has started.

@Kasz. The Nazis took control of businesses to turn Germany into a war machine, not because of their supposed socialist ideology.

@TheRealMafoo. That part of the bill should be something you're happy about - they essentially want to make it possible for Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae to actually fail, currently they are too big and too entwined in the market. The want to have the ability to wind them down.

Its actually probably one of the least outrageous things he put into the bill, it was entirely expected after the Fannie and Freddie debacle. His rather extreme regulation was the thing that actually annoyed the banks.

In fairness, highway, you gotta remember that the USA is pretty much the last major western country where healthcare is not considered a right.

Not putting that in a good or bad light - just pointing it out.

There is so much sarcasm in this entire quote train that I don't know who is saying what =O

I am not being sarcastic in the least.

Why aree amricanss dso afraid of socialst?s!? Aer yu afraid of a welfare system that actualy havet the people's interests in mind?! I always vote fro the socialts in my country, because I care more abut the people than the richmens wallets.