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Rath said:
TheRealMafoo said:
Rath said:
@Mafoo. What bill is this one that you're talking about?

Is it regulation (which seems more likely) or the power to nationalise (which you make it sound like)?

http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/17/news/economy/regulatory_reform/index.htm?postversion=2009061717

In the details of this bill, he has the right to take over a bank, even if they are profitable, if he deems it's needed.

In the Chrysler deal, he wanted the top bank to take 10 cents on the dollar for there debt in an attempt to keep Chrysler out of Bankruptcy. They said no. If this goes through, it will give him the power to no need to ask. He can just tell them they are taking 10 cents on the dollar.

Not something I want my government to have control over.

I don't know how anyone could read that article, and not think Obama is moving towards Socialism.

I read the article you just linked to and I couldn't find the bit where it said Obama can take over a profitable bank if he deems its needed. Can you quote it to me?

It seemed like stricter regulation and the much needed ability to wind down financial firms 'too big to fail'.

Gah, You made me look harder for it :p

Here is the article I first read this in:

http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/15/news/economy/market_reorganization/index.htm?postversion=2009061512

"The U.S. financial system is far less centralized than other mature economies, according to Geithner, pointing to the between 8,000 and 9,000 banks throughout the country. To hold a vast system accountable, he said that there has to be a more centralized regulation system."

"Another component of the plan, which 'will be available only in extraordinary circumstances,' according to Geithner and Summers, creates an option to dissolve financial companies that are too big to fail."

 



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It saddens me that there are so many young people on VGC positive to liberalism and socialism.

We're gonna get societies where leeches and parasites are priviliged, where the hard working honest people are dumb fools that get milked.

Sweden is an awful example of this. There's not even a sense of unity among the people any longer.



Actually I comfort myself with the fact that my whole family are leeches lol. So in the end I guess it evens out.

My dad is a communist who never had a full time regular work in his life (he actually hates that I became a doctor lol). He's very lazy. And my mom, while teaching me conservative values, still complains all the time that she don't get more wellfare from the state lol. My brother doesn't work either, he just sits in front of the computer all day lol.



Slimebeast said:
It saddens me that there are so many young people on VGC positive to liberalism and socialism.

We're gonna get societouries where leeches and parasites are priviliged, where the hard working honest people are dumb fools that get milked.

Sweden is an awful example of this. There's not even a sense of unity among the people any longer.

I pay roughly 50% of tax and it drives me mad... and sometimes I shout at what you call leeches and parasites for receiving public money and not doing their work.

But I'd rather pay too much tax and live in a stable society than having to pay a guard to keep my house and have some guns inside to defend myself...


 

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Sardauk said:
Slimebeast said:
It saddens me that there are so many young people on VGC positive to liberalism and socialism.

We're gonna get societouries where leeches and parasites are priviliged, where the hard working honest people are dumb fools that get milked.

Sweden is an awful example of this. There's not even a sense of unity among the people any longer.

I pay roughly 50% of tax and it drives me mad... and sometimes I shout at what you call leeches and parasites for receiving public money and not doing their work.

But I'd rather pay too much tax and live in a stable society than having to pay a guard to keep my house and have some guns inside to defend myself...


Yes, I like that argument. I like practical arguments. Stability is indeed worth some tax Dollars.

But I find it ironic that with all the immigrants of a certain religion into Belgium you might soon not be so safe after all, even in a semi-socialist country like Belgium.

 



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Obama has gone on record for saying he has SOME socialist beliefs before. But No, he isn't a socialist. Because he wants more accessible healthcare for people does not equal major socialism. If you want that go to some real socialist countries and you will soon learn the difference between how he is acting and how a real socialist leader acts.

It also saddens me that so many 'right wingers' have this arrogant view that one or two sensible socialist ideas that will benefit many people is equivalent to a super mega dickhead commie society where everybody gets shat on.



Reasonable said:
Nope. He's if anything more European I'd say, which is to say the balancing of a Democratic, Capitalist state with a reasonable level of social programs and equality of basic support.

This.

Obama has clearly looked at Europe and seen how ideas over here could benefit USA. Which is good, because America could use a more European outlook on politics. Learn to see what could benefit them.



famousringo said:
Last I heard, nobody in the US government wants to scrap Medicaid, so I guess they're all a bunch of filthy pinkos.

Lol (sarcasm I assume)

Yeah all those people who want to provide the basic right to medicine for the people of the USA are all a bunch of filthy commies because they had this idea.



Sardauk said:
Obama a socialist ?
What a joke.... US media should try to do some real journalism instead of pourring that kind of sh*t...

US people have no idea about what is socialism....

Haha. I know right. It seems to me that the right wing in the USA have no idea about socialism. I swear it's just this stubborn left over opinion from the cold war. They think it's akin to soviet union and that a universal medicine service will suddenly make the country a communist country.

Oh noes, people want publicly funded medical help. This means they will all stop working in our otherwise capitalist society because they can just live of free healthcare.



The Fury said:
No, he's not.
Many of the comparisons aren't really Socialist either, they are are just helpful and provide a better standard of living for all in your country, not just the rich.

 

Exactly, yet again the needs of the many outweight the neds of the few and that is not a socialist principle. It's a sound principle that will allow for a government to allow a better service to their people.