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Entroper on 06 October 2007
Legend11 said:
vanguardian1 said:
I did state that wrong, didn't I?

I meant I'm finding their software less appealing than I used to. I loved UT, hated UT2K3, enjoyed UT2K4, was completely disinterested in Gears, and the more I see of UT3, the less interested I am in it. :(

Btw, just to clarify, I'm 99% single-player style gamer, I rarely get to do any multiplayer PC-wise (and boy do I miss my old LAN parties)

If you're 99% single player why did you mention games from a series with extremely weak single player components at best? I mean UT's single player is a bunch of multiplayer maps thrown together with bots. Also Gears of War got a 93.8% on Gamerankings and UT2004 got a 92.8% so it just seemed odd to hear a studio putting out that kind of product being called "going downhill".


Vanguardian isn't alone.  I love multiplayer games and I still think UT2K3 was a huge step backwards, and 2K4 failed on a number of levels in recapturing the awesomeness that was UT.



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LordTheNightKnight on 06 October 2007

Again, if Epic makes a gameplay engine for the Wiimote, ensuring that any control scheme will be responsive and intuitive, THAT would get the company some money for Wii developers.



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Ishy on 06 October 2007

well said...^^^



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SnesTea on 06 October 2007

If Epic's games didn't have the fantastic graphics that they have, then their games wouldn't be that great.

Alot of their games are multi-player oriented and some people say graphics don't make a game (I agree 98% of the time). But graphics certainly make Epic's games. If Gears didn't have the photo-realistic graphics it had, the game wouldn't have gotten such high marks on review sites and magazines.



GameMusic on 06 October 2007
Crucial said:
fkusumot said:
Crucial said:
First off, I'm a 3rd party developer.

The most attractive thing about the Wii is accessibility. It is fairly inexpensive to develop for. Developing for the 360 or the PS3 requires a huge team of artists as well as quality graphics engineers. You really don't need that with the Wii.

I've worked for Sony before and worked on a "next gen title", and the budget just skyrockets with the artists and tech required to pull of something that you would all consider next gen.

Small developers will go for the Wii.

Well I hope you make a nice title for the Wii. How much would you guess it costs to make a Wii title?


About as much as it costs to make a PS2 title right now =)

That all depends, any dev studio can hire overqualified people that cost way too much and run the budget up. But really it takes very little. Especially in comparison to the 360 or PS3.

What I really like about this is that you get more budget for designers. More time to make quality game mechanics. I've been on enough projects where basically 85% of our budget had to go to making the game "look awesome". Those aren't the game I want to make.


 Is there some way I can contact you?  I'd like to work for a company with gameplay over graphics priorities. 



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Crucial on 08 October 2007
*~Onna76~* said:
Crucial said:
First off, I'm a 3rd party developer.

The most attractive thing about the Wii is accessibility. It is fairly inexpensive to develop for. Developing for the 360 or the PS3 requires a huge team of artists as well as quality graphics engineers. You really don't need that with the Wii.

I've worked for Sony before and worked on a "next gen title", and the budget just skyrockets with the artists and tech required to pull of something that you would all consider next gen.

Small developers will go for the Wii.

Ey? Who are you if I may ask, and from which developer company? *Being extremely curious*.

Edit: yes I know now its very cheap to develop for the WII... I've also noticed that from certain creations, which 3rd party developers have dropped on the WII so far, which looks kinda "cheap". As someone has pointed out "Capcom", which is so far the only 3rd party developer which is taking the WII seriously by creating different types of games accesable for all kinds of gamers. Zack & Wicky, We Love Golf and RE: Umbrella Chronicles, three different types of games, and looking very much appealing and yes... it save them a whole lot of money then creating the same three games for on a PS3 or 360.

Low budget creations is one thing, but at least bring something decent, even more if you're such a "big company".


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Crucial on 08 October 2007
GameMusic said:
Crucial said:
fkusumot said:
Crucial said:
First off, I'm a 3rd party developer.

The most attractive thing about the Wii is accessibility. It is fairly inexpensive to develop for. Developing for the 360 or the PS3 requires a huge team of artists as well as quality graphics engineers. You really don't need that with the Wii.

I've worked for Sony before and worked on a "next gen title", and the budget just skyrockets with the artists and tech required to pull of something that you would all consider next gen.

Small developers will go for the Wii.

Well I hope you make a nice title for the Wii. How much would you guess it costs to make a Wii title?


About as much as it costs to make a PS2 title right now =)

That all depends, any dev studio can hire overqualified people that cost way too much and run the budget up. But really it takes very little. Especially in comparison to the 360 or PS3.

What I really like about this is that you get more budget for designers. More time to make quality game mechanics. I've been on enough projects where basically 85% of our budget had to go to making the game "look awesome". Those aren't the game I want to make.


Is there some way I can contact you? I'd like to work for a company with gameplay over graphics priorities.


You can message me here with your messenger or aim info =)

What do you do? edit:  I'm guessing... Game music? ;)



MontanaHatchet on 08 October 2007

I can't help but look at the constant "I don't care about Epic" or "They're games aren't as good at they used to be" comments and not laugh.

It's really self explanatory. If there was an article wherein Epic praises the Wii, calling it innovative and saying it has a great engine, etc., Wii lovers would be kissing Epic's ass right now. I'm not going to point fingers here, but if there was a thread like the one I just described, I doubt most of you would chime in with "I don't care about Epic".

It would be a bit more like this:

"OMFG EPIC IS ABANDONING THE SUXBOX PEE60 AND PSFAIL!" "UNREAL TOURNAMENT 3 WII IS INEVITABLE!" "THINK OF THE REALISTIC SHOOTING CONTROLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Epic is an amazing company, and most of you don't care about them because they're very PC focused.



 

 

routsounmanman on 08 October 2007

Wii -> It's all about accessibility, freshness and fun
Epic -> All about graphics and showoff

Wii & Epic = Error



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Legend11 on 08 October 2007
routsounmanman said:
Wii -> It's all about accessibility, freshness and fun
Epic -> All about graphics and showoff

Wii & Epic = Error

Who told you that great graphics and fun are mutually exclusive?  Epic's games are fun but considering your post I doubt you've actually played any of them.