Yep I agree

The developers fractured this generation of making money by choosing personal bias over practicle profitibility.

sidenote: I am interested to see how Tatsunoko vs. Capcom: Ultimate All Stars, and what Bethesha has up their sleeve as well. For the lack of "major" 3rd party titles, the core exclusives that Wii has lined-up for the later part of '09 and 2010 is beginning to get INTERESTING.

I doubt it will.

1) This gen, much more than last, there are a lot of former PC developers like Infinity Ward, Epic, etc. really pushing product to consoles - and it looks like those developers are HD console focused. Not all of course, but a fair few.

2) The Wii represented a major shift due to the Wiimote - while Nintendo and certain other developers seem comfortable designing games for the Wii interface many others clearly don't - so while the motion controls have been a huge part of Wii's success, they've also been a barrier for certain 3rd party support

3) Nintendo seem to have the most popular IP and titles on the console, which further worries many 3rd party developers, who seem to see the PS3 and the 360 in particular as less risky (not saying they're right or wrong, just that's clear how some feel).

4) I guess this seems like a variation on 1) but the stark difference in specification between the Wii and the HD consoles (coupled with HD TV adoption) plays to a more split market as well. It's not by accident that I have my Wii hooked up to a 32" CRT TV in one room with my PS3 hooked up to an HD TV in another.

HappySqurriel said: Dno said: Kenryoku_Maxis said: This has been gone over time and time again. PS2 got all the support because Third parties were following the trends of the PSX success and it paid off. It came out first and it continued to be the most successful and so they threw everything behind it and by the end, it had 90% of third party support. In this gen, the XBOX360 came out first and got a lot of third party attention, but others were hesitant to throw out all their support, waiting to see if the PS3 would follow the PS2s success. Mostly everyone ignored the Wii. In the end, the Wii and Nintendo surprised everyone and overtook them all by force. Many are just now turning around to join up, while others are pouting and refusing to make games for them due to grudges, disbelief or simply because they think they can't make money on the system/the system is outdated/the system is 'kiddy'. In the end, the only two things that make the PS2 and Wii similar are that they are the low end systems of their gen. But Nintendo got the VERY short end of the stick and is still fighting a very nasty label put on them by both Sony and XBOX from the last 10 years. If anything, third parties are going to continue to ignore them for the most part until the next gen, until their wallets start barking at them. like who? devs that put hardwork and make great games made money off the HD twins easy. This is a bad statement and its wrong and im kinda sick of hearing it. No one is going down because they are not making games for the wii... for every 3rd party success on wii theres about 50 more on the HD systems.   Next gen my be a different story but not this gen. The record revenues and record losses of third party publishers that are directly related to the high sales of HD games not being enough to compensate for their high development cost demonstrate that you're wrong ...

Yes companies are losing more money then last gen because its harder to make games for newer systems it happens every gen but what he said is 3rd parties NEED to run to the Wii to make money. and thats not true... RE5, Halo3, GTA4, SF4, MGS4 COD4 (which is also on wii and got killed but HD sales) and a whole lot that i cant remeber all sold a LOT on HD consoles and they all got LOTS of money.  and the companies that did put games on the wii sold horrible (mad world, conduit etc). Companies DONT NEED the wii as much as people think because companies are making a killing off the slower selling HD twins.

Dno said: HappySqurriel said: Dno said: Kenryoku_Maxis said: This has been gone over time and time again. PS2 got all the support because Third parties were following the trends of the PSX success and it paid off. It came out first and it continued to be the most successful and so they threw everything behind it and by the end, it had 90% of third party support. In this gen, the XBOX360 came out first and got a lot of third party attention, but others were hesitant to throw out all their support, waiting to see if the PS3 would follow the PS2s success. Mostly everyone ignored the Wii. In the end, the Wii and Nintendo surprised everyone and overtook them all by force. Many are just now turning around to join up, while others are pouting and refusing to make games for them due to grudges, disbelief or simply because they think they can't make money on the system/the system is outdated/the system is 'kiddy'. In the end, the only two things that make the PS2 and Wii similar are that they are the low end systems of their gen. But Nintendo got the VERY short end of the stick and is still fighting a very nasty label put on them by both Sony and XBOX from the last 10 years. If anything, third parties are going to continue to ignore them for the most part until the next gen, until their wallets start barking at them. like who? devs that put hardwork and make great games made money off the HD twins easy. This is a bad statement and its wrong and im kinda sick of hearing it. No one is going down because they are not making games for the wii... for every 3rd party success on wii theres about 50 more on the HD systems.   Next gen my be a different story but not this gen. The record revenues and record losses of third party publishers that are directly related to the high sales of HD games not being enough to compensate for their high development cost demonstrate that you're wrong ... Yes companies are losing more money then last gen because its harder to make games for newer systems it happens every gen but what he said is 3rd parties NEED to run to the Wii to make money. and thats not true... RE5, Halo3, GTA4, SF4, MGS4 COD4 (which is also on wii and got killed but HD sales) and a whole lot that i cant remeber all sold a LOT on HD consoles and they all got LOTS of money.  and the companies that did put games on the wii sold horrible (mad world, conduit etc). Companies DONT NEED the wii as much as people think because companies are making a killing off the slower selling HD twins.

If they are making a killing why are they still posting losses?

Dno, you are looking at single title sales instead of the whole (more total 3rd party software sells on Wii than either the PS3 or X360). You also seem to perceive actual sales as direct profit.

I agree with the OP. Wii isn't getting the same 3rd party support PS2 did. The biggest reason for this is, that the devs don't want to make Wii games, they want to make HD games and they don't know how to make Wii games. They have games that improve only in graphics section for too long to know how to make games with appealing gameplay. So, when they make a Wii game (that often is half-assed) it's not going to sell in big numbers and then complain about it.

Voltaire said: Ari_Gold said: --OkeyDokey-- said: It's not because the games won't sell, it's because nobody wants to make games on outdated hardware. That's really all there is to it. The PS2 was less powerful than the competition, but it was powerful enough. i agree with you   Thats not ALL true. Remember the huge 3rd party support for the GC and N64 (both arguably the strongest console of its gen). Sine the PS1 many western developers want to create 'cool' games, games that generally dont involve Nintendo. Theres that stigma that Nintendo isnt cool (thank Sega Genesis) also.

GC actually had a good 3rd party support out of the gate, but due to GC being lackluster in sales, the support dried up right after the launch.

KillerMan said: Stefan.De.Machtige said: KillerMan said: Samus Aran said: --OkeyDokey-- said: It's not because the games won't sell, it's because nobody wants to make games on outdated hardware. That's really all there is to it. The PS2 was less powerful than the competition, but it was powerful enough. Hmm, ps3 and xbox360 use outdated hardware. Rephrase your sentence because what you just said is horribly wrong. So he should correct it to that Wii uses ancient hardware? He should write that 'all' consoles are outdated by their launch. But I think he meant that Wii is a lot more outdated when compared to X360 and PS3. Wii uses basically last gen tech.

Sheesh, they all use last gen tech, if this is how we want to put it, Wii just isn't pushing the performance available with the tech.

hasnt the shift already happened?

wiis third party this yeah is fantastic

Dno said: HappySqurriel said: Dno said: Kenryoku_Maxis said: This has been gone over time and time again. PS2 got all the support because Third parties were following the trends of the PSX success and it paid off. It came out first and it continued to be the most successful and so they threw everything behind it and by the end, it had 90% of third party support. In this gen, the XBOX360 came out first and got a lot of third party attention, but others were hesitant to throw out all their support, waiting to see if the PS3 would follow the PS2s success. Mostly everyone ignored the Wii. In the end, the Wii and Nintendo surprised everyone and overtook them all by force. Many are just now turning around to join up, while others are pouting and refusing to make games for them due to grudges, disbelief or simply because they think they can't make money on the system/the system is outdated/the system is 'kiddy'. In the end, the only two things that make the PS2 and Wii similar are that they are the low end systems of their gen. But Nintendo got the VERY short end of the stick and is still fighting a very nasty label put on them by both Sony and XBOX from the last 10 years. If anything, third parties are going to continue to ignore them for the most part until the next gen, until their wallets start barking at them. like who? devs that put hardwork and make great games made money off the HD twins easy. This is a bad statement and its wrong and im kinda sick of hearing it. No one is going down because they are not making games for the wii... for every 3rd party success on wii theres about 50 more on the HD systems.   Next gen my be a different story but not this gen. The record revenues and record losses of third party publishers that are directly related to the high sales of HD games not being enough to compensate for their high development cost demonstrate that you're wrong ... Yes companies are losing more money then last gen because its harder to make games for newer systems it happens every gen but what he said is 3rd parties NEED to run to the Wii to make money. and thats not true... RE5, Halo3, GTA4, SF4, MGS4 COD4 (which is also on wii and got killed but HD sales) and a whole lot that i cant remeber all sold a LOT on HD consoles and they all got LOTS of money.  and the companies that did put games on the wii sold horrible (mad world, conduit etc). Companies DONT NEED the wii as much as people think because companies are making a killing off the slower selling HD twins.

That's the whole problem with trying to make games on the 360/PS3.  They're all trying to make the next Halo/Gears of War/GTA.  But not every game can be in the '1%' club.  And if so many companies are spending multiple millions making games, but so few are getting that money back, they are going to post losses.

Many of those same companies are making cheap 'casual' titles on the Wii that cost almost nothing to make but sell anywhere from 100,000-500,000 and make MORE money then their titles on 360/PS3.  To make up the difference.  Then whine that the Wii is a 'casual system'.

Kenryoku_Maxis said: Many of those same companies are making cheap 'casual' titles on the Wii that cost almost nothing to make but sell anywhere from 100,000-500,000 and make MORE money then their titles on 360/PS3.  To make up the difference.  Then whine that the Wii is a 'casual system'.

Now who has been whining that wii is a casual system? It really does not sound like whining, just stating a fact. As you said yourself, they can make some profit with crappy games on wii.. why would they whine about it?

 

Or are you talking about that when the ninty-fanboys cry that they aren't getting the games they want and the third party devs respond like that? Ohh.. that must be it. Those whiners!! Wii is hardcoreZ!