Ok I bite! 

If you read my last post (you clearly have fogged up your goggles) you would have read that I said " Slow down doesn't matter if you are crashing into other cars, they will slow down just as much" and hey, you could even bounce off them and propell yourself ahead, so yes, A noob could win a race by doing that. 

Now, the video I was talking about, I cannot find, so I will give you the benefit of the doubt. However, even if the guys are not real race car drivers, they play a LOT of sims, and know a lot more than your average gamer, who btw usually gets stuck driving minivans and old beaters not Ferraris and Lambos. Jeremy Clarkson is one person, it is entirely possible that he was payed to say that, However, since there is no proof, I will give him the benefit of the doubt.  Seriously, if you want to talk realism, lets talk about the damage. GT didn't have it, all it had was a slow down effect...thats not very realistic, especially if you can still bounce off of other cars to bully your way around a track.

Now, I watched part of the video (it was varry laggy even though it was fully buffered) and I don't get what your point was. It has nothing to do with Kids locked in a basement, and there were obviously a few assists turned on, and damage, turned off.

Now, the comment I said about kids being locked in a basement...sounds like I hit a nerve there...hmmm... Anyway, I was obviously exaggerating for effect, but I guess I can't expect you to understand that, you're blood must be boiling right about now...I guess thats the differance between you and I. I want both games, I'm not trolling GT5...just the fanboys, I am willing to admit when I am wrong, I am not afraid to look at the facts, I am not afraid to say that either game has flaws (although at this point it time it is hard to tell). I guess thats what separates the men from the boys, and the real gamers from the fanboys.   

Well whichever is better, at least I can be content playing Forza this October.

Good god! Have you never heard of neutral and the laws of physics? Throw the car into neutral, while you hit the E-brake and crank the wheel, let momentum carry you...yes, physics are on my side there buddy.

@ Bevochan, WTF is that supposed to mean? wheren't you the one analizing the trailer to make your dumb ass statement in the OP?

Right, we can talk sensibly again

Always have been ( well...on my part anyway...not so sure about you, fanboys tend to be a little blind)

First off, the first argument of your's simply does not work and will be solved in GT5 with damage. I understand your logic, but there is not enough corners/opportunities to bump off other cars to get an advantage in GT5p. Noobs can't win, but I agree this needs fixed (and it will be).

Yeah, I know GT5 will have damage, and it's about time, but in the past it has not which is shameful for somebody who calls themselves a racing sim, nay, they were more of an arcade racer in that aspect. And yes, There are enough cars in GT5P for a noob to bully his way around a track. To say otherwise is just plain ignorant.

Jeremy Clarkson has driven around 80% of cars made in the last 20 years, and he races them around the top gear track. He could of been payed to say what he does, but then the same applies to every so called 'pro' who talks up Forza. Clarkson is a GT fan though and writes these things in his newspaper column so its very very unlikely.

Yes, but has he EVER played Forza???

And about that video, even though assists are on that car moves far to quickly and accurate when going round a corner at 300kmph compared to its real life counterpart. Heavy braking also should make the rear at least slide a bit.

Yeah...not if it has all the assists on, those are there to help noobs drive and feel like they are pros. Also, it the car is tuned right, it can most certainly make a tight corner. You forget that those LeMans cars are very precise and stick to the roadat very high speeds...do you know ANYTHING about racing?

And my blood is not boiling, Im just fed up with 360 fans claiming they are 'ultimate racers' who sit and play Forza with a d-pad and think it's just like real life, and then because some douche company (T10) says it's better than GT (The king) they believe it. I back up my arguments with alot of good points, and I do not hate Forza. I think GT is quite a bit ahead of Forza, and Ive told you why. Thats not fanboyish, thats having an opinion.

So...What 360 fan has claimed that they are an ultimate racer? I hear a lot more GT fanboys who think they know more about racing than Jeff Gordan (exagurating for effect just in case you missed that again)So far you have backed up your arguments with a lot of idiocy and very few good points. I know GT is not much farther ahead (if at all) that Forza 3, Hell, Any true gamer knows that.

Now, Your last paragraph is so full of BS and hypocracy, I cannot begin to explain it to you. But you see that partthat I put in italics and bold font? That right there tells you DO hate Forza and the company that made Forza. Also, you later went on to say that GT was much farther ahead of Forza. And that my friend, is very fanboyinsh.

How much does Sony pay you to downlplay Forza 3?

Because one is not better, they offer two slightly different experiances, and thus, are both worth purchasing.

To most people Weather and night racing is just not all that important (was that even a confirmed no for when Forza3 comes out? I know other specs were going to be better upon release) Who is to say the NASCAR is going to be done right? If you can't tweak the cars (track bar adjustments, tiure pressure, gear ratios, carbourator jets, stuff like that) and you don't have 43 people racing online, then it will be crappier than the EA versions ( Nascar is about strategy and finding ways to get just a little more performance than your compeditor) 

Forza has two ups over GT, Damage and Car customizability ( is that even a word? lol) While not important to all (although I would think anybody who was miffed about not having Weather and night racing would be just as miffed about not having damage) Many find the customizing very important to retain a good image while playing online, and the damage (even if it is "unrealistic") is actually very important to people looking for a more real experiance, (after all, who wants to be bouncing off of walls? A noob could win races just by bullying their way around the better drivers)