ironman said:
Ok I bite! If you read my last post (you clearly have fogged up your goggles) you would have read that I said " Slow down doesn't matter if you are crashing into other cars, they will slow down just as much" and hey, you could even bounce off them and propell yourself ahead, so yes, A noob could win a race by doing that. Now, the video I was talking about, I cannot find, so I will give you the benefit of the doubt. However, even if the guys are not real race car drivers, they play a LOT of sims, and know a lot more than your average gamer, who btw usually gets stuck driving minivans and old beaters not Ferraris and Lambos. Jeremy Clarkson is one person, it is entirely possible that he was payed to say that, However, since there is no proof, I will give him the benefit of the doubt. Seriously, if you want to talk realism, lets talk about the damage. GT didn't have it, all it had was a slow down effect...thats not very realistic, especially if you can still bounce off of other cars to bully your way around a track. Now, I watched part of the video (it was varry laggy even though it was fully buffered) and I don't get what your point was. It has nothing to do with Kids locked in a basement, and there were obviously a few assists turned on, and damage, turned off. Now, the comment I said about kids being locked in a basement...sounds like I hit a nerve there...hmmm... Anyway, I was obviously exaggerating for effect, but I guess I can't expect you to understand that, you're blood must be boiling right about now...I guess thats the differance between you and I. I want both games, I'm not trolling GT5...just the fanboys, I am willing to admit when I am wrong, I am not afraid to look at the facts, I am not afraid to say that either game has flaws (although at this point it time it is hard to tell). I guess thats what separates the men from the boys, and the real gamers from the fanboys.
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Right, we can talk sensibly again 
First off, the first argument of your's simply does not work and will be solved in GT5 with damage. I understand your logic, but there is not enough corners/opportunities to bump off other cars to get an advantage in GT5p. Noobs can't win, but I agree this needs fixed (and it will be).
Jeremy Clarkson has driven around 80% of cars made in the last 20 years, and he races them around the top gear track. He could of been payed to say what he does, but then the same applies to every so called 'pro' who talks up Forza. Clarkson is a GT fan though and writes these things in his newspaper column so its very very unlikely.
And about that video, even though assists are on that car moves far to quickly and accurate when going round a corner at 300kmph compared to its real life counterpart. Heavy braking also should make the rear at least slide a bit.
And my blood is not boiling, Im just fed up with 360 fans claiming they are 'ultimate racers' who sit and play Forza with a d-pad and think it's just like real life, and then because some douche company (T10) says it's better than GT (The king) they believe it. I back up my arguments with alot of good points, and I do not hate Forza. I think GT is quite a bit ahead of Forza, and Ive told you why. Thats not fanboyish, thats having an opinion.
