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noname2200 on 07 July 2009
akuseru said:
noname2200 said:

edit: why can't I write outside the quote box??!!?!?!

Next time this happens, try pressing the down key on your keyboard; 95% of the time, that fixes things. If it doesn't, just copy whatever you wrote, Cancel, then quote and try again.

 

 

 

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stewroids on 07 July 2009
errorrrr said:
Cypher1980 said:
stewroids said:
The PS3 has been doing really well keeping the following facts in mind:

1. It was launched at a price of $600, which is 200 or 300 more than the 360 and Wii were at the time. Even now, the cheapest PS3 you can get is $400 while the cheapest 360 is $200. The arcade console from Microsoft is one of the main reasons the 360 is ahead, it's really cheap and a parent would obviously buy the cheaper console for their kid.

2. PS3 has been out for about 3 years now and has sold 22 million units, meaning on average, about 7.5 million units per year. The 360 on the other hand has been out for 4 years and has sold 30 million units thus far, and is also selling 7.5 million on average per year. The extra year that the 360 has on the PS3 is responsible for the lead, MS had a head start. If the PS3 had released a year earlier, then it would be in the lead!

3. The 360 has a failure rate of 40 percent, while the PS3 is less than 1 percent. Many people would just send their system in for repair, but some of them just buy a new console because the defect isn't covered under the warranty or they just didn't want to wait for the entire process to take place. Not only that, but the 3 year warranty of many 360 owners that bought it when it came has expired which forced them to buy a new 360. I would say the defects in the 360 are responsible for a good amount of units sold, as much as 5-6 million and this number will only continue to grow as the warranties keep expiring.

In my opinion, the PS3 will gain momentum if they play their cards right. There is no hope of catching to the Wii, in my opinion they are the winners of this generation. But if Sony drops the price and bundles the console with GT5 or Uncharted 2, then it will sell like hot cakes. My prediction is that by the end of 2010, the PS3 and 360 will be practically even in terms of units sold and since this generation is said to last longer than previous generation (even until 2015), the PS3 has plenty of time to overtake the 360 and win beat MS once again.

I guess time will tell though...one thing is for sure though...Nintendo fucking rocks! They have a clean victory over both consoles and made a comeback from the previous generation.

I had no idea that the 360 failure rates were so high. That would mean over 12 million consoles have failed since launch.

 

Amazing. The things you learn on the internet huh !

That brings me a question... do the sales data also include consoles that are REPURCHASED because of failed X360? Do they also count replacement for concoles sent to people?? That way wouldn't the X360's data be REALLY inflated?

i dont think it includes consoles that had to be replaced by microsoft because of the warranty...but it certainly does include consoles that were repurchased by the consumer from a retailer...they wudnt go tell the retailer "oh hey, my 360 broke down so im replacing it with a new one"...so repurchasing is included and also when a customer purchases an extended warranty from someone like best buy and that retailer ends up replacing the product with a new one, that counts towards the sales also since it comes right off the shelf



Mummelmann on 07 July 2009
errorrrr said:
Cypher1980 said:
stewroids said:
The PS3 has been doing really well keeping the following facts in mind:

1. It was launched at a price of $600, which is 200 or 300 more than the 360 and Wii were at the time. Even now, the cheapest PS3 you can get is $400 while the cheapest 360 is $200. The arcade console from Microsoft is one of the main reasons the 360 is ahead, it's really cheap and a parent would obviously buy the cheaper console for their kid.

2. PS3 has been out for about 3 years now and has sold 22 million units, meaning on average, about 7.5 million units per year. The 360 on the other hand has been out for 4 years and has sold 30 million units thus far, and is also selling 7.5 million on average per year. The extra year that the 360 has on the PS3 is responsible for the lead, MS had a head start. If the PS3 had released a year earlier, then it would be in the lead!

3. The 360 has a failure rate of 40 percent, while the PS3 is less than 1 percent. Many people would just send their system in for repair, but some of them just buy a new console because the defect isn't covered under the warranty or they just didn't want to wait for the entire process to take place. Not only that, but the 3 year warranty of many 360 owners that bought it when it came has expired which forced them to buy a new 360. I would say the defects in the 360 are responsible for a good amount of units sold, as much as 5-6 million and this number will only continue to grow as the warranties keep expiring.

In my opinion, the PS3 will gain momentum if they play their cards right. There is no hope of catching to the Wii, in my opinion they are the winners of this generation. But if Sony drops the price and bundles the console with GT5 or Uncharted 2, then it will sell like hot cakes. My prediction is that by the end of 2010, the PS3 and 360 will be practically even in terms of units sold and since this generation is said to last longer than previous generation (even until 2015), the PS3 has plenty of time to overtake the 360 and win beat MS once again.

I guess time will tell though...one thing is for sure though...Nintendo fucking rocks! They have a clean victory over both consoles and made a comeback from the previous generation.

I had no idea that the 360 failure rates were so high. That would mean over 12 million consoles have failed since launch.

 

Amazing. The things you learn on the internet huh !

That brings me a question... do the sales data also include consoles that are REPURCHASED because of failed X360? Do they also count replacement for concoles sent to people?? That way wouldn't the X360's data be REALLY inflated?

Silly nilly. Those kinds of things only apply to the PS2. Without second, third and so forth, purchases, it'd probably just have sold a little over 10k.



Cueil on 08 July 2009
errorrrr said:
Cypher1980 said:
stewroids said:
The PS3 has been doing really well keeping the following facts in mind:

1. It was launched at a price of $600, which is 200 or 300 more than the 360 and Wii were at the time. Even now, the cheapest PS3 you can get is $400 while the cheapest 360 is $200. The arcade console from Microsoft is one of the main reasons the 360 is ahead, it's really cheap and a parent would obviously buy the cheaper console for their kid.

2. PS3 has been out for about 3 years now and has sold 22 million units, meaning on average, about 7.5 million units per year. The 360 on the other hand has been out for 4 years and has sold 30 million units thus far, and is also selling 7.5 million on average per year. The extra year that the 360 has on the PS3 is responsible for the lead, MS had a head start. If the PS3 had released a year earlier, then it would be in the lead!

3. The 360 has a failure rate of 40 percent, while the PS3 is less than 1 percent. Many people would just send their system in for repair, but some of them just buy a new console because the defect isn't covered under the warranty or they just didn't want to wait for the entire process to take place. Not only that, but the 3 year warranty of many 360 owners that bought it when it came has expired which forced them to buy a new 360. I would say the defects in the 360 are responsible for a good amount of units sold, as much as 5-6 million and this number will only continue to grow as the warranties keep expiring.

In my opinion, the PS3 will gain momentum if they play their cards right. There is no hope of catching to the Wii, in my opinion they are the winners of this generation. But if Sony drops the price and bundles the console with GT5 or Uncharted 2, then it will sell like hot cakes. My prediction is that by the end of 2010, the PS3 and 360 will be practically even in terms of units sold and since this generation is said to last longer than previous generation (even until 2015), the PS3 has plenty of time to overtake the 360 and win beat MS once again.

I guess time will tell though...one thing is for sure though...Nintendo fucking rocks! They have a clean victory over both consoles and made a comeback from the previous generation.

I had no idea that the 360 failure rates were so high. That would mean over 12 million consoles have failed since launch.

 

Amazing. The things you learn on the internet huh !

That brings me a question... do the sales data also include consoles that are REPURCHASED because of failed X360? Do they also count replacement for concoles sent to people?? That way wouldn't the X360's data be REALLY inflated?


if these things help you sleep knowing that a 9 million unit lead is about to be on hand then keep on believing



 
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BMaker11 on 08 July 2009
yo_john117 said:
BMaker11 said:
yo_john117 said:
WheelStriker said:
Sales, that's all people talk about. People actually think that more sales means better quality. But the fact is that's not always the case and it's sad that many people don't understand this. Or more likely chooses to ignore it.

If sales mean better quality, then I guess it's safe to say that "big bumpin" (a mediocre game) is the xbox 360's best exclusive and is one of the games that defines the xbox brand as it has high sales.



WTF is "big bumpin"?

And yes sales are the most importent thing at the end of the day, and yes they declare how much quality a product has.  Sure there are always the exception but most of the time sales=quality because thats what most people want...

Carnival Games and Mario and Sonic

 

Here let me bold the part that you obviously did not read.

How many does it take for it to not be the rule, and always the exception? I can start listing games on both the low end and high ends of the charts. When I show you about 20-30, they're just exceptions?

If sales does equal quality, Halo is almost 10X better than KZ2, and Wii Sports is multiple times better than every sports game ever. Or is that just an exception too. After being on the market for 9 months, Valkyria Chronicles is only at 500k. Just an exception? Haze is sitting at almost 800k, despite being deemed a straight up turd. Another exception? Halo Wars has outsold every console RTS to date, although its' average review score isn't much higher, and even under some games. Another exception? There are way too many exceptions for "sales = quality" to be remotely close to a rule



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Reasonable on 08 July 2009
BMaker11 said:
yo_john117 said:
BMaker11 said:
yo_john117 said:
WheelStriker said:
Sales, that's all people talk about. People actually think that more sales means better quality. But the fact is that's not always the case and it's sad that many people don't understand this. Or more likely chooses to ignore it.

If sales mean better quality, then I guess it's safe to say that "big bumpin" (a mediocre game) is the xbox 360's best exclusive and is one of the games that defines the xbox brand as it has high sales.



WTF is "big bumpin"?

And yes sales are the most importent thing at the end of the day, and yes they declare how much quality a product has.  Sure there are always the exception but most of the time sales=quality because thats what most people want...

Carnival Games and Mario and Sonic

 

Here let me bold the part that you obviously did not read.

How many does it take for it to not be the rule, and always the exception? I can start listing games on both the low end and high ends of the charts. When I show you about 20-30, they're just exceptions?

If sales does equal quality, Halo is almost 10X better than KZ2, and Wii Sports is multiple times better than every sports game ever. Or is that just an exception too. After being on the market for 9 months, Valkyria Chronicles is only at 500k. Just an exception? Haze is sitting at almost 800k, despite being deemed a straight up turd. Another exception? Halo Wars has outsold every console RTS to date, although its' average review score isn't much higher, and even under some games. Another exception? There are way too many exceptions for "sales = quality" to be remotely close to a rule

Sorry to butt in on someone else's discussion, but I've got to agree with you.  Sales absolutely doesn't mean quality and almost never has in entertainment media.  While of coure, thank goodness, sometimes a quality title does sell well, it's for sure not a given.

Crap films make more money than high quality films on a regular basis (hello Transformers 2)

Many, many quality games sell less than games of questionable to average quality.

Paperback thrillers sell more than far better written books.

Sales = populist.  There is no common relationship between sales and quality.

 



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Squilliam on 08 July 2009

^ Theres no common relationship between quality and objectivity. Quality means different things to different people, the quantity of sales a game has is infact one of its qualities but that does not mean its high quality even if it has high sales inspite the fact that sales are a quality. ;-(



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yo_john117 on 08 July 2009
BMaker11 said:
yo_john117 said:
BMaker11 said:
yo_john117 said:
WheelStriker said:
Sales, that's all people talk about. People actually think that more sales means better quality. But the fact is that's not always the case and it's sad that many people don't understand this. Or more likely chooses to ignore it.

If sales mean better quality, then I guess it's safe to say that "big bumpin" (a mediocre game) is the xbox 360's best exclusive and is one of the games that defines the xbox brand as it has high sales.



WTF is "big bumpin"?

And yes sales are the most importent thing at the end of the day, and yes they declare how much quality a product has.  Sure there are always the exception but most of the time sales=quality because thats what most people want...

Carnival Games and Mario and Sonic

 

Here let me bold the part that you obviously did not read.

How many does it take for it to not be the rule, and always the exception? I can start listing games on both the low end and high ends of the charts. When I show you about 20-30, they're just exceptions?

If sales does equal quality, Halo is almost 10X better than KZ2, and Wii Sports is multiple times better than every sports game ever. Or is that just an exception too. After being on the market for 9 months, Valkyria Chronicles is only at 500k. Just an exception? Haze is sitting at almost 800k, despite being deemed a straight up turd. Another exception? Halo Wars has outsold every console RTS to date, although its' average review score isn't much higher, and even under some games. Another exception? There are way too many exceptions for "sales = quality" to be remotely close to a rule

I'm talking about if a game sells good it must be pretty good game.  A game doesn't have to sell 10 million to be good.  A game that sold one million is probably pretty good.  

Games sell well because they are quality to someone, they may not be quality games to you or me, but they are to someone. 

 



selnor on 08 July 2009

Well considering PS3 is nearly 9 mill behind now ( 11 mill + by Jan 10 ) It's pretty obvious isn't it?

Why do we need an analys to tell us something we already know is obvious.



BladeOfGod on 08 July 2009

@stewroids
360's failure rate is not 40%. Its 32%. Almost 1\3 of 360s sold are dead.Its just some of those 360s got fixed (for another 6 months) and some people just bought the new ones