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Nope! At least not where I come from. None of my friends who play games (about 40) even consider buying the 360... They all have PS3s and/or Wiis. Actually, those few (about 2 or 3) that have a 360 only borrows other peoples PS3s or Wiis, or are waiting to buy one for themselves...

This is how it is where I live, and I don't care about how it is any other place =D



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Squilliam said:
Bitmap Frogs said:
aavidbacon said:
I did economics and I can say that price is the main sign of desire of a product. If the X360 is only 20%-10% above the PS3 in sales, but have at least a 25% price difference($299/399 = 74,9%), based on the average model, than we can say that the PS3 is the more desired. There's also the fact that the X360 sales are shared between the SKU's, but I would bet that if you took out the Arcade model, the sales would dip below PS3's. Let's face it, apart from the US, where people really like the X360, in the rest of the world people are getting the X360 only beacause the PS3 is still $399.
Last year prove my argument. While there wasn't a Arcade model and a price cut, the X360 was behind, after that it was in front. In matter of fact, if it repeated last year's sales up to now, the X360 would be on par or behind the PS3, and the PS3 is down YoY. The X360 is up YoY and in the beggining of 2009 was up almost 20%.
Just take a look at Killzone 2 realease week. The X360 was even down WoW, at 180k but up compared with the similar week in 2008(120k).The price cut and Arcade did it. The numbers shows it.

 

Ah, typical economist.

Yeah, the 360 is outselling the ps3. Microsoft will work hard at keeping a reasonable price difference so nothing will change. 

Ah since you are such a trained individual, why don't you talk about the costs of staying 3 years + beyond the reach of consumers? Market share, mindshare, all that jazz. C'mon let the buzzwords out!

What about the substitution effect between the different SKUs? You'll have to estimate how many people would have bought a Premium had the Arcade not been available.

What about price discrimination? Microsoft price discriminates with the Arcade SKU and the Premium SKU. With no Arcade theres no price discrimination so its unlikely that the Premium would still be $300 today.

Then you have to work out the cross price elasticity between the new cheaper (sole) Premium SKU and the PS3 since without the Arcade the Premium would be cheaper.

Wait? You probably can't.

most of the sells come from the arcade, more than 60% of them.

if a expensive article can sell on par to a cheaper one, shows how the more expensive one it's more wanted.

 



Xoj said:
Squilliam said:
Bitmap Frogs said:
aavidbacon said:
I did economics and I can say that price is the main sign of desire of a product. If the X360 is only 20%-10% above the PS3 in sales, but have at least a 25% price difference($299/399 = 74,9%), based on the average model, than we can say that the PS3 is the more desired. There's also the fact that the X360 sales are shared between the SKU's, but I would bet that if you took out the Arcade model, the sales would dip below PS3's. Let's face it, apart from the US, where people really like the X360, in the rest of the world people are getting the X360 only beacause the PS3 is still $399.
Last year prove my argument. While there wasn't a Arcade model and a price cut, the X360 was behind, after that it was in front. In matter of fact, if it repeated last year's sales up to now, the X360 would be on par or behind the PS3, and the PS3 is down YoY. The X360 is up YoY and in the beggining of 2009 was up almost 20%.
Just take a look at Killzone 2 realease week. The X360 was even down WoW, at 180k but up compared with the similar week in 2008(120k).The price cut and Arcade did it. The numbers shows it.

 

Ah, typical economist.

Yeah, the 360 is outselling the ps3. Microsoft will work hard at keeping a reasonable price difference so nothing will change. 

Ah since you are such a trained individual, why don't you talk about the costs of staying 3 years + beyond the reach of consumers? Market share, mindshare, all that jazz. C'mon let the buzzwords out!

What about the substitution effect between the different SKUs? You'll have to estimate how many people would have bought a Premium had the Arcade not been available.

What about price discrimination? Microsoft price discriminates with the Arcade SKU and the Premium SKU. With no Arcade theres no price discrimination so its unlikely that the Premium would still be $300 today.

Then you have to work out the cross price elasticity between the new cheaper (sole) Premium SKU and the PS3 since without the Arcade the Premium would be cheaper.

Wait? You probably can't.

most of the sells come from the arcade, more than 60% of them.

if a expensive article can sell on par to a cheaper one, shows how the more expensive one it's more wanted.

 

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Tease.

akuseru said:
Nope! At least not where I come from. None of my friends who play games (about 40) even consider buying the 360... They all have PS3s and/or Wiis. Actually, those few (about 2 or 3) that have a 360 only borrows other peoples PS3s or Wiis, or are waiting to buy one for themselves...

This is how it is where I live, and I don't care about how it is any other place =D

fantasyland? man living there full time must be harsh i here rent is killer.

 

on serious note though it does seem that the PS3 should have more pent up potential as price point saturation was reached ages ago at current price point. all they are doing now is stiffling sales while holding out for inventory clearing.

it well sell well no matter the price drop, but a 100 dollar drop could sustain it for a year with more dramatic change (I dont buy the 13 million moved this physical year) 

both cases (50 or 100) should lead it to beat out last years numbers by 1 million+

a new form factor and no price drop will stimulate sales short term though it does not address price point saturation it avoids the issue by artificially increasing demand  if this is all that happens expect the ps3 to tie, or just under last year, but i can not see sony doing this unless they have a terrible 2 quarter. 

 

the 360 is suffering from price point saturation but not as badly and mainly on the higher end units moving them down with out a true price drop will mildly stimulate sales for the rest of the year and should just top last years sales say 500K or so more

however if there is a true price drop expect it to also beat last years numbers easily 

 

 

 

 

also have you ever been to any college campus? Ps3 is the only console that is a rarity in these environments (proportionately speaking all systems are here in healthy numbers even ancient systems such as NES )

 

 

 

note, god i cant wait to move off a campus if it was not so cheap to own a condo near campus i would have moved closer to work ages ago, the parties girls and beer are nice, but for the love of god i like to sleep more then one night a week. 



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Many walls of text for nothing here.

PS3 costs much more than 360 and still sells roughly the same worldwide, so of course people value PS3 more than the 360.

That's Marketing 101.



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^ Sorry you just failed marketing 101 with that comment. You can reapply next semester if you want.



Tease.

Wow, now I really see I'm wrong. /sarcasm

If I sell 100 products at 200$ and my competitor sells 100 products at 400$ for a merchandise of the same kind, isn't it clear people want MORE his product than mine ?

Otherwise why are half of them paying 200 $ more ?

Can we still agree that 1+1=2 ?



Tony_Parker said:
Wow, now I really see I'm wrong. /sarcasm

If I sell 100 products at 200$ and my competitor sells 100 products at 400$ for a merchandise of the same kind, isn't it clear people want MORE his product than mine ?

Otherwise why are half of them paying 200 $ more ?

Can we still agree that 1+1=2 ?

No

 

there are things such as perceived cost, price point potential, consumer confidence, trained discounting, and a whole  host of other things that go in and effect how a unit is sold. 



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1- Wouldn't be 1:1. Unless the price dropped to the same price of the the Arcade( unlikely) or close. 

2- Wouldn't be $199 and you still have the Elite. There would still have a price discrimination.

3- The exact elasticity? No you can't, but with enough data you could estimate an equation, if that's what you want. And I bet it would be favourable to the PS3.

 

But that doesn't matter, as this is only a net discussion, nothing academical. Sure I would like to study this matter more deeply, but I don't have the time, data or the money to do that. 



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