That... has to be a bug.

Culdcept Saga is an awesome game.  I saw it on sale (new) for 10 bucks and bought 2 copies, one for me and one for my girlfriend who I knew used to play Magic The Gathering.  Best 10 bucks I ever spent on a game.  The real bummer though is that we've never been able to get through a match against each other online, we always get disconnected, usually within the first 5 turns. 

Shame about this game though.  I was going to buy it just for the reasons stated above, hoping it would be something to fun to play online against each other.

Culdcept Saga had its fair share of problems (like the AI fucking cheating), but it was also a lot of fun.  I let a friend borrow it and never really got around to getting it back and I think he's in California now...  ;_;

Pretty much this.  I know it's the casual version of Magic but that doesn't mean that have to take out the options completely.  Give me an advanced mode.  All those cards are in there so I could make a decent to good deck, they just absolutely do not give you the option.

Also, this game was marketed towards casual and hardcore Magic players.  I don't remember where I saw the article unfortunately, but they went on record saying this game had plenty to do for the hardcore experienced Magic players and that's one of the things that pushed me into the game.

He could not have been more wrong.  If you have any experience with M:tG you will be bored to tears by this game.  I was hoping to find a good alternative to Magic Online where I didn't have to buy online versions of cards but instead I get this garbage.

The game doing everything for you, not being able to build your own deck, and the incredibly aggrevating 2.5 second timer all add up to a game nobody should buy.

You get 8 pre-constructed decks with 17 cards you can win that you can add or not add per deck. This isn’t for the hardcore Magic player though. I was done with the game when I sold my Unlimited cards to buy my first car back in the day. So revisiting Magic was fun for me.

I wasn’t expecting a lot for $10. I don’t even think you can get 1 pre-constructed deck for that price anymore? For the price and what you get it’s pretty good. It was fun getting into a 4 player match too…

I think you guys are judging it way too harshly for what it is.

They should of just rereleased the old Microprose game and expansions on Xbox live...

Okay, bring up the 10 dollar price point has already been run into the ground, but I agree, it's 10 freaking dollars. Its an amazing deal for that amount of money.

Second, why did you buy it without trying it first? You know they have a demo feature. Further more why are you still actively playing if it is that bad?

I'm an experience magic player, I started playing with third edition, played hard core for a while and now days I've played off and on with the PC version. My friends are all gone and we don't have comic shops nearby so PC or xbox is my only way to play. PC is nice but I realized how stupid it was buying cards, of course I realized that after I spent a few hundred. Even at that I was always getting crushed by people with mongo collections and endless wallets.

I like the arcade game. YES, everything you mentioned is an issue. I won't argue that. Aside from that I found a lot to like, a console version of Magic that I can play laying back with a controller in my hand.

In my opinion not being able to buy cards and build up super beef decks is a good thing. I hate you can't take the crap starting cards out when you get better ones. Otherwise everyone having access to mostly the same cards balances the game incredibly well. When I play someone online I don't have to wonder if they spent 2 grand on magic cards and beat me to a bloody pulp with rare power cards and cheesy combos. It's a leveled playing field and skill comes into play. Basically it takes the magic card collection penis measuring contest out of the game and it does wonders for it.

I've been having a blast and the sheer amount of decks you get for that cost is a wonderful deal. The timer is annoying sometime but even in your "10 second wait" scenario, its not that bad. Look at loading times on most video games. Hell, look at how long magic games could take in real life while people sit there and take ages to perform the simplest task. The timer and having time limits speeds things up while you are complaining about it slowing the game down.

Look, this game will grow and evolve. There will be DLC with new decks and cards, there more than likely will be patches. They are only one patch away from letting you take starting cards out of your deck. I'm sure they are hearing complaints. Who knows what will happen. Either way I've already gotten my 10 dollars worth and will continue to play and enjoy it. If you don't like it don't play it. But stop sounding like its a complete massive rip off and no one should buy it when we already know many people are enjoying it and many other games cost much more money on the arcade and offer much less play.

BTW, mysticD has two xboxs in his house and that is how he plays local multiplayer.

Yeah, but with a preconstructed deck you 1) get a better deck than what you get in this game and 2) you have the power to change it.

Yes, there are 17 cards you can win for each deck, but you cannot take out the cards you don't want.  So even assuming those 17 cards you can win are great (and they aren't) you then have a giant deck and you will never see those cards.

I think people that are saying it's fun because they've never played or haven't played since 1995 are right (except for the 2.5 second timer), but anyone that has any kind of experience with the game is going to be horribly dissapointed.

There are five HUGE flaws with this game:

• The 2.5 second timer is painful because it's attached to everything and stacks with everything.
• You can add and take away the cards you've win but you cannot add or take away cards that start in the deck.
• You cannot choose how you tap lands.  This takes away some mind games and can stop you from casting spells.  Also keep in mind there's no preview how lands are going to be tapped and most things cannot be taken back.
• If you don't have a card to play, the game just assumes the phase is over.  Again, this takes away from the mind games.  If I'm playing against an opponent playing blue and I see that their turn immediatly ends, I know they don't have anything they can do to me.
• The interface is just awkward and confusing.  It's also incredibly unforgiving, a bad combination.

If the game only had any one or two of those problems then it would probably be a decent to good game and I would be totally happy but it has all five those and it's just a giant mess.

That sucks. MtG without full deck customization is no Magic. The original PC version, with its fair share of problems, had full customization deck options and a nice share (if somewhat limited) of cards, I enjoyed it a lot. While I didn't like much the RPG elements, the "playing Magic" part was pretty much flawless and not different at all to the regular Magic. Sucks that this game doesn't have that

$10 for a bad game isn't a good deal...

I don't like demos and that is my own fault.  I figured they would give me a bad deck and a bad opponent and that just wouldn't give me a good experience.  Also, I wanted the Garruk because I happen to need one more.  I admit getting the Garruk for $10 isn't a bad deal.

Also, I played as much as I did hoping it would get good.  I generally like to try games out before I go on long rants about them. 

I absolutely agree that buying cards on Magic Online is stupid.  I got into it for a while and had fun with the sealed and thought the interface was pretty well done but I just didn't like paying for the cards.

And yeah, it is annoying getting crushed by the people with infinite wallets, that's why I hoped this game would be different.  Everyone has the same pool of cards and you don't have to spend extra money for that same pool.  I was hoping you could pick from that pool and build your own deck.  Even if the pool was the preconstructed deck plus the 17 cards that would still be perfectly fine.

That would solve the overly powerful people and solves the infinite wallet people.  Not a hard concept.

It's a leveled playing field that makes you rely more on luck than skill.  That isn't really that fun with Magic: the Gathering.

But it is a massive ripoff because it's a bad game.  They can add more decks but unless they five those five fundamental problems I listed above, more decks aren't going to solve anything.

You still have the timer, you're still limited on the decks, and you completely lose the deck building game and the mind game.  All that you have left is a game of luck.