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lapsed_gamer on 10 June 2009
megaman.2. said:
ROBOTECHHEAVEN said:
not a chance in hell, could ico or any of their games , ever overtake a zelda game or the series. :)

The last guardian says other wise

The Last Guardian is current mute and must have fanboys speak for it for awhile. It says nothing.



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Slimebeast on 10 June 2009
CGI-Quality said:
Slimebeast said:
First of all, it's too early to say anything about The Last Guardian except that they released a fantastic trailer.

Second, it's a lil stupid to argue which of two so great and unique franchises is the best. Or maybe it isn't, because IMO everything can be compared.

I don't know what I'm trying to say.

True and not true.

True - it's a tad early to know what the final out come of The Last Guardian will be.

Not true - judging from this teams work, and strict rules on perfection, most expect nothing short of a masterpiece and thus are truly excited for it

So in a sense, I agree and disagree.....

Yeah. It's almost guaranteed that The Last Guardian will get at least 90% on GR/Meta, based on those two info combined (Ico pedigree + superb trailer).

I was mostly directing that toward Megaman2, because this thread is still a lil stupid - *after all, he's comparing ICO to the arguably greatest game franchise of all time (according to VGC and many journalists and gamers).


EDIT: *doh, Im not saying ICO-series is inferior to Zelda, I'm just saying it's too early to call based on the scarce info.



megaman.2. on 10 June 2009
The Ghost of RubangB said:
You looking for a fight, flameboy? If so, read on:


Link's Awakening, on the original Game Boy in 1993, is better than anything the Ico Team has made, including The Last Guardian. And before you rattle off the old "Zelda is stale" rhetoric, let me remind you that the game doesn't have Zelda, Ganon, Hyrule, or the Triforce. (But it does have Shy Guys and Will Wright in it.)

Dear Rubang, The zelda series has been IN decline for many years now. Unfortunately people are too stubborn to voice their anger, Team Ico games have taken it to the next level. Thank you Link for all that you have done but step aside it's Last Guardian's time Baby



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theRepublic on 10 June 2009

What place did Ico and Shadow of the Colossus place in the VGC Top 100?



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BxN on 10 June 2009
theRepublic said:
What place did Ico and Shadow of the Colossus place in the VGC Top 100?

And what place did SMG and MGS 4 place in the VGC Top 100 ?

 

My point ? It's a terrible list.



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theRepublic on 10 June 2009
megaman.2. said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
You looking for a fight, flameboy? If so, read on:


Link's Awakening, on the original Game Boy in 1993, is better than anything the Ico Team has made, including The Last Guardian. And before you rattle off the old "Zelda is stale" rhetoric, let me remind you that the game doesn't have Zelda, Ganon, Hyrule, or the Triforce. (But it does have Shy Guys and Will Wright in it.)

Dear Rubang, The zelda series has been decline for many years now. Unfortunately people are too stubborn to voice their anger, Team Ico games have taken it to the next level. Thank you Link for all that you have done but step aside it's Last Guardian's time Baby

Then why do the critics think Twilight Princess was the second best Zelda ever?



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The Ghost of RubangB on 10 June 2009
megaman.2. said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
You looking for a fight, flameboy? If so, read on:


Link's Awakening, on the original Game Boy in 1993, is better than anything the Ico Team has made, including The Last Guardian. And before you rattle off the old "Zelda is stale" rhetoric, let me remind you that the game doesn't have Zelda, Ganon, Hyrule, or the Triforce. (But it does have Shy Guys and Will Wright in it.)

Dear Rubang, The zelda series has been IN decline for many years now. Unfortunately people are too stubborn to voice their anger, Team Ico games have taken it to the next level. Thank you Link for all that you have done but step aside it's Last Guardian's time Baby

That's exactly what an uninformed goon who hasn't played Link's Awakening would say.

And I wouldn't say Zelda's in decline.  Twilight Princess was far more enjoyable than Ocarina of Time.



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MrBubbles on 10 June 2009

they make 1 good game and are better than zelda??



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theRepublic on 10 June 2009
BxN said:
theRepublic said:
What place did Ico and Shadow of the Colossus place in the VGC Top 100?

And what place did SMG and MGS 4 place in the VGC Top 100 ?

 

My point ? It's a terrible list.

Just because you didn't like the result doesn't mean it is not relevant to the discussion.

I looked it up and Shadow of the Colossus placed 20th, and Ico did not place at all.



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Avinash_Tyagi on 10 June 2009
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Sorry, but Avinash_Tyagi's argument is so ridiculous that I just have to put my 2 cents in.

I'm not sure if you understand, but your theory of quality = sales must agree with one of two things:

  1. Marketing, popularity, price, (and some other factors) affect sales. We can then conclude that these 3 also affect quality. It's kind of strange that you think commercials and price cuts can make a game better, don't you think?
  2. Marketing, popularity, and price do not affect sales. This is even more ridiculous than the first point, so I'll assume you won't agree with this one.


Alright, on topic - I haven't yet tried Ico, but Shadow of the Colossus is one of my favorite games ever. It stands out from all other games - while the same can be said about the Zelda series, the same cannot be said about the most recent Zelda games. SotC had a bigger impact on me than TP, for example.

Even then, TP was an amazing game. The Team Ico series has a ways to go before it overthrows a series containing: Zelda 1, ALttP, OoT, to name a few.

See your argument is flawed, because many games that have marketing and price cuts don't sell and many games continue to sell long after the marketing and price no longer matter, when was the last time starcraft had commericals?  Still sells great even after all these years.  Popularity occurs because people like a game so the market is making a decision in popularity based on what they prefer.  Sales remin the only objective measure of the market's preference.  What the market prefers, they will buy, even when the commercials are not there

An example, xbox 360 and PS3 get a lot of marketing, I see tons of commercials for 360 and PS3 games and hardware, much more than for Wii, but they are still getting slaughered by the Wii, even with price cuts they Wii continues to outsell them, even with the arcade dropping below the Wii's price, Wii keeps on selling.  The popularity of the Wii is based on the market preferring the Wii.   When the generation began 360 was already out and had tons of marketing and PS3 was expected to dominate.  But what we have seen is the Wii has thundered into an insurmountable lead



 

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