@Frogman: The problem in this case is that Sony spends money like noone else. They have shown that they really do value extracting high performance from their machines, more so than either Microsoft or Nintendo. Both from the estimated budgets and anecdotes from developers on beyond3d support this, even with 2nd party developers. So are we judging the talent that Sony has actively sought out and provided with the money to do what few else can or are we judging the machine?

Squilliam said: ^ Reasonable is one of the few in here who are reasonable. Though I have caught him being unreasonable a few times.

Well, we all have our off days...

Looking over this thread again what strikes me is the original quote came from EA.  Why are we even bothering talking about it?  Has an EA game ever been the pinacle of HW pushing, fully optimized goodness?  I don't think so.  I think we should look at this in perspective based on EA's history of quotes regarding the HD consoles.

You know what this quote tells me now?

EA is stating they've got the 360 down pat but probably haven't fully learnt all the tricks on the PS3 yet - which is consistent with their late start and slow adoption of being able to code well for the PS3.

I think its one of your off days... Since when has EA ever coded optimised goodness? Even widening our definition to 'works mostly as expected' and you have counter examples like The Sims 1/2 and pretty much every other PC game that required a tonne of patching. Battlefield is another example...

Yes the 360 is maxed out already.

Hang on that's what I said!  Didn't I?  Maybe I am having an off day...

My point is EA isn't the best developer when it comes to amazing polish, optimization, etc. and therefore we should view this quote as far more indicative of their abilities than the consoles!

EA sports, its in the patch!

No console has ever been maxed out after 3 years...

what about the Wii??

Since its based on the Gamecube and that was released in 2001? It must be pretty tapped by now...

Ok guys...

You know what I meant... that Wii remark was not necessary...