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JEDE3 said:
NightAntilli said:

My god... You guys need to learn to think. First of all, the older arcades, those users needed a hard drive to install NXE. So those are covered. The ones that came later that include the 256MB, tell me which person who is considered a hardcore gamer, who would want to play simulator racing games, who spent most of his time online, is gonna get an arcade console without a headset and without a hard drive. If someone buys an arcade, the chances that he/she will be interested in Forza3 is simply small, because that is not the genre that one is interested in. The Arcade X360 is meant for casual gamers. Forza is NOT NFS carbon or PGR. It's a simulator, and casual gamers would prefer Burnout over Forza anytime. Besides, those people would never download movies, demos, and all of that stuff. Now tell me, someone who never does that, how can he/she want to play a simulator?

It sucks that you can't play the whole game, but if you want Forza 3, you are probably more than a casual gamer and you need a hard drive and Xbox Live Gold. I bet that 99% of the people who want Forza 3 have a Pro or Elite, or already bought a hard drive for their Arcade because they needed it for something else.


who said everyone who bought an arcade model went online? And you are telling us to think?

That's all you got as a counter argument??

I never said that. I said, people who have an arcade are not people who are gonna download movies and demos etc, and therefore they don't need a hard drive, because they play simple games, easy games, casual games, and Forza 3 is a simulator and therefore they will not be so interested in it.

Remember the part that the upcoming games will only work on NXE? Doesn't matter if you go online or not, eventually you will need NXE, which is either a hard drive, or a memory card to store NXE on. And if someone chooses the memory card over the hard drive, that one is probably playing the simplest of games, and no Call of Duty, no Ninja Gaiden, and certainly not Forza. Is that so hard to understand?

 

kanariya said:
NightAntilli said:

My god... You guys need to learn to think. First of all, the older arcades, those users needed a hard drive to install NXE. So those are covered. The ones that came later that include the 256MB, tell me which person who is considered a hardcore gamer, who would want to play simulator racing games, who spent most of his time online, is gonna get an arcade console without a headset and without a hard drive. If someone buys an arcade, the chances that he/she will be interested in Forza3 is simply small, because that is not the genre that one is interested in. The Arcade X360 is meant for casual gamers. Forza is NOT NFS carbon or PGR. It's a simulator, and casual gamers would prefer Burnout over Forza anytime. Besides, those people would never download movies, demos, and all of that stuff. Now tell me, someone who never does that, how can he/she want to play a simulator?

It sucks that you can't play the whole game, but if you want Forza 3, you are probably more than a casual gamer and you need a hard drive and Xbox Live Gold. I bet that 99% of the people who want Forza 3 have a Pro or Elite, or already bought a hard drive for their Arcade because they needed it for something else.

 

Turn 10 said they added many new features to assist different level of players from kid to mid-age audience like auto brake and stuff.

I don't think they intend to ignore to casual players?

 

 

Nope, they don't tend to do it, but either way, if you want to use the additional content, they could've made it downloadable, and no one would complain then, even when arcade people would not be able to download it because of the lack of a hard drive. And suddenly it's a problem now?



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No Hard Drive = "Forza 3 Prologue"?

Its really not that big of a deal. I am sure most the game is going to be playable. It will just help push people to buy hard drives.



NightAntilli said:

My god... You guys need to learn to think. First of all, the older arcades, those users needed a hard drive to install NXE. So those are covered. The ones that came later that include the 256MB, tell me which person who is considered a hardcore gamer, who would want to play simulator racing games, who spent most of his time online, is gonna get an arcade console without a headset and without a hard drive. If someone buys an arcade, the chances that he/she will be interested in Forza3 is simply small, because that is not the genre that one is interested in. The Arcade X360 is meant for casual gamers. Forza is NOT NFS carbon or PGR. It's a simulator, and casual gamers would prefer Burnout over Forza anytime. Besides, those people would never download movies, demos, and all of that stuff. Now tell me, someone who never does that, how can he/she want to play a simulator?

It sucks that you can't play the whole game, but if you want Forza 3, you are probably more than a casual gamer and you need a hard drive and Xbox Live Gold. I bet that 99% of the people who want Forza 3 have a Pro or Elite, or already bought a hard drive for their Arcade because they needed it for something else.

Okay, that there is so full of speculation that it's unbearable.

Why would anyone owning a Forza game be hardcore? Is every Gran Turismo owner a hardcore gamer? No, because some just like a realistic driving experience, you can't just assume that everyone with an interest in Forza will have a harddrive.



I am sure they will work around it. No way they will release a game which cannot be enjoyed fully by all 360 owners. There will be an alternative option for arcade owners.



 

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Rainbird said:
NightAntilli said:

My god... You guys need to learn to think. First of all, the older arcades, those users needed a hard drive to install NXE. So those are covered. The ones that came later that include the 256MB, tell me which person who is considered a hardcore gamer, who would want to play simulator racing games, who spent most of his time online, is gonna get an arcade console without a headset and without a hard drive. If someone buys an arcade, the chances that he/she will be interested in Forza3 is simply small, because that is not the genre that one is interested in. The Arcade X360 is meant for casual gamers. Forza is NOT NFS carbon or PGR. It's a simulator, and casual gamers would prefer Burnout over Forza anytime. Besides, those people would never download movies, demos, and all of that stuff. Now tell me, someone who never does that, how can he/she want to play a simulator?

It sucks that you can't play the whole game, but if you want Forza 3, you are probably more than a casual gamer and you need a hard drive and Xbox Live Gold. I bet that 99% of the people who want Forza 3 have a Pro or Elite, or already bought a hard drive for their Arcade because they needed it for something else.

Okay, that there is so full of speculation that it's unbearable.

Why would anyone owning a Forza game be hardcore? Is every Gran Turismo owner a hardcore gamer? No, because some just like a realistic driving experience, you can't just assume that everyone with an interest in Forza will have a harddrive.

You are right. Some people would want the realistic driving experience. But if someone is a casual gamer that plays a game once in a while, a few hours a moth etc instead of every day, do you think that one will care that he/she has less cars and less tracks? They'll just want the experience and wouldn't care if their 1986 jaguar roadster or whatever is not in that disc. They probably wouldn't even notice. And if they want it, then they'll buy a hard drive.

You call it speculation, I call it logical thinking.



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Rainbird said:
NightAntilli said:

My god... You guys need to learn to think. First of all, the older arcades, those users needed a hard drive to install NXE. So those are covered. The ones that came later that include the 256MB, tell me which person who is considered a hardcore gamer, who would want to play simulator racing games, who spent most of his time online, is gonna get an arcade console without a headset and without a hard drive. If someone buys an arcade, the chances that he/she will be interested in Forza3 is simply small, because that is not the genre that one is interested in. The Arcade X360 is meant for casual gamers. Forza is NOT NFS carbon or PGR. It's a simulator, and casual gamers would prefer Burnout over Forza anytime. Besides, those people would never download movies, demos, and all of that stuff. Now tell me, someone who never does that, how can he/she want to play a simulator?

It sucks that you can't play the whole game, but if you want Forza 3, you are probably more than a casual gamer and you need a hard drive and Xbox Live Gold. I bet that 99% of the people who want Forza 3 have a Pro or Elite, or already bought a hard drive for their Arcade because they needed it for something else.

Okay, that there is so full of speculation that it's unbearable.

Why would anyone owning a Forza game be hardcore? Is every Gran Turismo owner a hardcore gamer? No, because some just like a realistic driving experience, you can't just assume that everyone with an interest in Forza will have a harddrive.


I just read his first sentance and then gave him a perfectly legit reason why his logic is flawed.



JEDE3 said:
Rainbird said:
NightAntilli said:

My god... You guys need to learn to think. First of all, the older arcades, those users needed a hard drive to install NXE. So those are covered. The ones that came later that include the 256MB, tell me which person who is considered a hardcore gamer, who would want to play simulator racing games, who spent most of his time online, is gonna get an arcade console without a headset and without a hard drive. If someone buys an arcade, the chances that he/she will be interested in Forza3 is simply small, because that is not the genre that one is interested in. The Arcade X360 is meant for casual gamers. Forza is NOT NFS carbon or PGR. It's a simulator, and casual gamers would prefer Burnout over Forza anytime. Besides, those people would never download movies, demos, and all of that stuff. Now tell me, someone who never does that, how can he/she want to play a simulator?

It sucks that you can't play the whole game, but if you want Forza 3, you are probably more than a casual gamer and you need a hard drive and Xbox Live Gold. I bet that 99% of the people who want Forza 3 have a Pro or Elite, or already bought a hard drive for their Arcade because they needed it for something else.

Okay, that there is so full of speculation that it's unbearable.

Why would anyone owning a Forza game be hardcore? Is every Gran Turismo owner a hardcore gamer? No, because some just like a realistic driving experience, you can't just assume that everyone with an interest in Forza will have a harddrive.


I just read his first sentance and then gave him a perfectly legit reason why his logic is flawed.

No you didn't. You put words in my mouth, and i already debunked your statement.



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NightAntilli said:
JEDE3 said:
Rainbird said:
NightAntilli said:

My god... You guys need to learn to think. First of all, the older arcades, those users needed a hard drive to install NXE. So those are covered. The ones that came later that include the 256MB, tell me which person who is considered a hardcore gamer, who would want to play simulator racing games, who spent most of his time online, is gonna get an arcade console without a headset and without a hard drive. If someone buys an arcade, the chances that he/she will be interested in Forza3 is simply small, because that is not the genre that one is interested in. The Arcade X360 is meant for casual gamers. Forza is NOT NFS carbon or PGR. It's a simulator, and casual gamers would prefer Burnout over Forza anytime. Besides, those people would never download movies, demos, and all of that stuff. Now tell me, someone who never does that, how can he/she want to play a simulator?

It sucks that you can't play the whole game, but if you want Forza 3, you are probably more than a casual gamer and you need a hard drive and Xbox Live Gold. I bet that 99% of the people who want Forza 3 have a Pro or Elite, or already bought a hard drive for their Arcade because they needed it for something else.

Okay, that there is so full of speculation that it's unbearable.

Why would anyone owning a Forza game be hardcore? Is every Gran Turismo owner a hardcore gamer? No, because some just like a realistic driving experience, you can't just assume that everyone with an interest in Forza will have a harddrive.


I just read his first sentance and then gave him a perfectly legit reason why his logic is flawed.

No you didn't. You put words in my mouth, and i already debunked your statement.


Your telling me everyone who bought a 360 before NXE came out has to download it? What if you don't have internet connection? So MS is really that stupid in castrating their user base like that?



Next generation? I think not.



NightAntilli said:
Rainbird said:
NightAntilli said:

My god... You guys need to learn to think. First of all, the older arcades, those users needed a hard drive to install NXE. So those are covered. The ones that came later that include the 256MB, tell me which person who is considered a hardcore gamer, who would want to play simulator racing games, who spent most of his time online, is gonna get an arcade console without a headset and without a hard drive. If someone buys an arcade, the chances that he/she will be interested in Forza3 is simply small, because that is not the genre that one is interested in. The Arcade X360 is meant for casual gamers. Forza is NOT NFS carbon or PGR. It's a simulator, and casual gamers would prefer Burnout over Forza anytime. Besides, those people would never download movies, demos, and all of that stuff. Now tell me, someone who never does that, how can he/she want to play a simulator?

It sucks that you can't play the whole game, but if you want Forza 3, you are probably more than a casual gamer and you need a hard drive and Xbox Live Gold. I bet that 99% of the people who want Forza 3 have a Pro or Elite, or already bought a hard drive for their Arcade because they needed it for something else.

Okay, that there is so full of speculation that it's unbearable.

Why would anyone owning a Forza game be hardcore? Is every Gran Turismo owner a hardcore gamer? No, because some just like a realistic driving experience, you can't just assume that everyone with an interest in Forza will have a harddrive.

You are right. Some people would want the realistic driving experience. But if someone is a casual gamer that plays a game once in a while, a few hours a moth etc instead of every day, do you think that one will care that he/she has less cars and less tracks? They'll just want the experience and wouldn't care if their 1986 jaguar roadster or whatever is not in that disc. They probably wouldn't even notice. And if they want it, then they'll buy a hard drive.

You call it speculation, I call it logical thinking.

Right, because these casuals are stupid, wont find out what that second disc is for and certainly wont find out that their $60 got them a game they couldn't fully play. Your logic is flawed.