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Faxanadu on 04 June 2009

Nintendo has always been perceived as kiddy.

Blame SEGA for that.



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FilaBrasileiro on 04 June 2009
Soriku said:
Not enough? The hell do you want? That's the majority of their biggest series.

Not wii sports+, and they have much more than that, you probably weren't even born when Kid Icarus was around.

 



MaxwellGT2000 on 04 June 2009

I believe there's a specific correlation here to be seen, PS3/360 is marketed to the teens and young males, the internet top users are this segment, the "journalists" not only usually fit into that category they write to that category, and the Wii is marketed to everyone, when you lack games that appeal to the same group of internet users, PS3/360 users, and "journalists" they will reject it.

/end

On a more opinion level, I love all the consoles, but the Wii has by far been one of my favorite systems of all time, it's not the glory days of SNES and Genesis to me, but man I haven't felt like going into a store picking out a random game and it ends up being awesome since then and I can do that with Wii, it's easy to spot the crap much like was with the SNES, it's much harder to differentiate the crap on PS3 for me though, you look at a shooter, it could look awesome, you get home and it's total fail :\



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Asriel on 04 June 2009
venepe said:
I partially agree. But I don't think the HD systems have more "great" games than the Wii. "Great" games are a matter of preference and opinion. Sure we can use critics scores to provide for some guidance, but I feel that most of the current critics are not being fair in their HD to Wii comparisons. Personally, the only game I wish the Wii had is RE5. Other than that I feel that each console deserves to have a handful of great exclusives, in order to keep a fanbase.

 



Pristine20 on 04 June 2009

I could make the same thread about the ps3. People hate what they hate. It can't always be explained



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Pristine20 on 04 June 2009

I have to add that the wii is perhaps a special case. I think this may stem from the fact that it was built to please everyone. The problem with this ideology is that nothing can please everyone. In most cases, what is really needed is a means of convincing people that they're pleased whether they may be really pleased or not. One way to do this is to show that other people are in love with the product whether that is true or not because human nature tends to "follow the crowd"

Thus, a product that's built to please everyone ultimately pleases no one leaving behind lots of detractors who consider themselves tricked, the other side who think everyone else has gone mad and the last side who really believe it's the best thing ever. However, it's in the best interest and the dream of every business to create a uniform audience and I must say that the capitalists have been doing a pretty good job at it.



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TripleMMM on 04 June 2009

IxisNaugus said:

I'm probably wrong about this, but i'm going to speak from experience here. Nintendo fans are some of the most rational, open minded, smart, calm and cool people i have ever met, spoke to, and befriended. They're usually very kind, bright and down to earth. Now i'm not saying they're all like this, but Sony (and to a lesser extent, Microsoft) fans on the other hand are usually cold, harsh, rude, on a lot of occasions stupid, and just plain ignorant. Again, i stress that most Sony fans are not like this, i'm probably not looking hard enough for the good ones. But this is the general gist i have gotten from my time spent on gaming sites and those i have met in real life too. If you don't like Nintendo or Microsoft or whatever, that's fine. If you want to hate things for mostly no reason at all, IE "Mario has no story so its crap!!" then you're a twat. Why, i ask why you feel the need to constantly, CONSTANTLY shout to the stars how much you hate it, why must you target every thread and say the same things over and over again. You call yourself a gamer? Instead of being an ignorant fool, ignoring facts most of the time and screaming lie after lie, how about you actually play your games. There are a lot of great games out there, so go play them, instead of moaning about the ones you don't like. Or are you that much of a loser? Jesus titty fucking mother of chicken christ. It really is a wonder how some people actually make it out of their bed in the morning.

EDIT: Oh, and Phoenix. You are not a Nintendo "fanboy". You are simply an avid fan of Nintendo. You are aware of the Wii's problems and do not blindly cite it as a superior overall machine to the PS3 and X360. Simply owning a Wii or Nintendo consoles and having a taste for Nintendo games does not make you a "fanboy".

If you are a fanboy, you automatically only like one console, you hate the other two for no rational reason and you make this as clear as possible at every given oppertunity. That is a fanboy. You are not this ;)

I have to admit, I also have my fair share of dealing some of my friends personality traits when it comes to console preference...

I guess I have to call myself an avid Nintendo fan from now on. ;)



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dharh on 04 June 2009
SaviorX said:
dharh said:
You wanna know the reason? It's not easy to create a great games using motion control. Here I'm talking about games that gamers love, immersive, epic, story driven, etc, I mean hell developers sometimes mess up traditional controls for games. So why not just come up with a simple shovelware game that uses generic waggle controls that will net you some cash that you can then use to develop games you really want to develop?

There is no reason they cannot use GC/Classic controllers.

I'm just curious, but can you name a single game that has done this?  There probably has to at least be one, since I know its possible, but I also have a feeling that its frowned on my nintendo, it's called the classic controller for a reason.



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mike_intellivision on 04 June 2009

The truth is that Nintendo does win.

Look at the sales. Look at the profits.


However, the people who are most likely to comment on video games -- males 18-34 -- is the exact demographic that the PS3 and Xbox 360 go after most while Nintendo treats is equally to virtually every other demographic.

Thus, your Internet posters, your TV commentators on G4, your sales clerks at Gamestop and Best Buy, all feel much more drawn to the PS3 and Xbox 360 than they do the Wii. After all, there are games on the Wii for children and seniors and females -- to the males 18-34, such software is a waste of resources that could better go into developing more FPS and TPS and AcAd (action adventure) games.

Thus, Nintendo gets the hate. But they are on track to get the normal amount of games purchased per system during a lifetime -- 8 to 12. Which is remarkable given that so many people seem to report that they are only in nursing homes or closets. (Its current attach rate is also roughly equivalent to the PS3 but behind the Xbox 360 which is a software monster. It should be noted that the PS3 has similar issues of people buying it for limited gaming because its Bluray capabilities. But since this is a high end technology, the males 18-34 see it as cool).

In closing, Nintendo can do no right in the eyes of certain people -- males 18-34, a certain stock analyst, a few technology magazine critics, etc. But it does a lot right in the arena where it most counts, which is why it has survived for so long.

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If Nintendo is doing so much wrong, why are Microsoft and Sony trying to add motion. And before someone says it is an option, Microsoft wants to make Halo playable with its motion, which is much farther than Nintendo dares to go.



      


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SaviorX on 04 June 2009
dharh said:
SaviorX said:
dharh said:
You wanna know the reason? It's not easy to create a great games using motion control. Here I'm talking about games that gamers love, immersive, epic, story driven, etc, I mean hell developers sometimes mess up traditional controls for games. So why not just come up with a simple shovelware game that uses generic waggle controls that will net you some cash that you can then use to develop games you really want to develop?

There is no reason they cannot use GC/Classic controllers.

I'm just curious, but can you name a single game that has done this? There probably has to at least be one, since I know its possible, but I also have a feeling that its frowned on my nintendo, it's called the classic controller for a reason.

Dragonball Z Budokai Tenkaichi 3 lets you use the GC controller. Super Smash Brothers Brawl lets you use the GC.

 

Let's put it this way: Is the PS3 worse off because it uses the DualShock 3? No. So why is it a problem if a Wii game does not use motion control?



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