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yokyle on 25 September 2007
h2dk said:
Quick question for those that think Mario Galaxy is going to suddenly boost Wii sales...

If the Wii pretty much already sells out every month, how are these sales going to increase dramatically? Plus, I'm willing to bet that more people held off on getting a 360 until Halo 3 was released than people holding off on getting a Wii until Galaxy.

Most of Nintendos fan base that would buy a console for one game, already have it, or have been trying to find one. The only way the Wii will see a significant increase in sales would be for Nintendo to increase the supply. I don't see the big N doing that and risk a supply constraint over the holidays.

360 may not win the hardware war, but they are winning the software war. Primarily because 360 owners have more disposable income. They are older, have jobs and most importantly finish a game and move on to another one. From what I am seeing with Wii owners (I shouldn't call them owners really, mainly because they are parents purchasing them for their kids) is that they are content playing the same game over and over again. Hell my kid loves Mario Party 8, he would be happy if that was the only game he had (of course I hate the damn game so I have to keep some variety around for him...Carnival Games...more crap, but he loves it too).

I have yet to find a Wii game that can hold my interest for more than a couple hours. Sure, it is great for family and my kid's friends, but other than that it is pretty meh. My kid even prefers watching me play Blue Dragon to anything on the Wii.

(It probably doesn't help that the Wii is delegated to the 27" tube TV in "the other" room whilst the 360 gets the 51" HDTV)

Actually, Nintendo is starting to hold back on Wii shipments in order to stockpile for the Holiday season. A report actually said that there will be a far greater supply available during this holiday than what was available at launch last year. Plus, Nintendo is saving its major titles for later this year, like Super Smash Bros, Super Mario Galaxy, Ghost Squad, Resident Evil, etc. Thus, Nintendo will grab many core gamers this holiday season.



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HappySqurriel on 25 September 2007
h2dk said:
Imyourvillain said:
..... Most people who want a 360 for Halo 3 bought theirs a long time ago, at least that's the case for people in my city.

Perhaps just the people that shop at your store.  Unless you live in a podunk town (since you called it a city, I doubt that to be the case) it would be difficult to generalize the whole population based on your store. 

I know one other person that owned a 360 prior to this month...now I know 12.  (My age puts me in a different demographic, for example I only know 3 Wii owners counting myself and zero PS3 owners)


Well ...

I'm 27 and I know 8 people between the age of 25 and 35 who own a Wii with 6 people who in the same age group who are intending to buy one before Christmas. At the same time I own a 360 and know 2 other people who own 360's with one planning on buying one before Christmas. I know no one who has or is buying a PS3.

You still haven't posted your demographic information to demonstrate that you're in a different demographic.



h2dk on 25 September 2007

tough crowd, I must have struck a nerve.

Let's look at Software sales from last week (vgchartz)

360  731,887
Wii  422,430

That sorta speaks for itself...

Now, for the heck of it, lets subtract Wii Sports since it comes with it and lets do the same for Wii Play, because nobody is dropping $50 for that game, they are paying $50 for a WiiMote that comes with a free game.

Wii 274,545

What exactly was that I posted that was not correct?  And what was it that I posted as fact?  I am not gushing about the Wii, therefore I am not allowed my opinion based on my own observations?

Now lets use some common sense.  The target for the 360, which I'm sure we can all agree on, is 15-40ish...does it not make sense that this target market would have a higher percentage of people with disposable income?

The only "bias" was my dislike of MP8 and Carnival Games.

 

 

 



DonWii on 25 September 2007

No



h2dk on 25 September 2007
yokyle said:
h2dk said:

Most of Nintendos fan base that would buy a console for one game, already have it, or have been trying to find one. The only way the Wii will see a significant increase in sales would be for Nintendo to increase the supply. I don't see the big N doing that and risk a supply constraint over the holidays.



Actually, Nintendo is starting to hold back on Wii shipments in order to stockpile for the Holiday season. A report actually said that there will be a far greater supply available during this holiday than what was available at launch last year. Plus, Nintendo is saving its major titles for later this year, like Super Smash Bros, Super Mario Galaxy, Ghost Squad, Resident Evil, etc. Thus, Nintendo will grab many core gamers this holiday season.


 Which is why I stated Nintendo would not increase shipments next month for Galaxy.  They want a constraint-free supply for the Holiday (Nov-Dec) season.



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HappySqurriel on 25 September 2007
h2dk said:

tough crowd, I must have struck a nerve.

Let's look at Software sales from last week (vgchartz)

360  731,887
Wii  422,430

That sorta speaks for itself...

Now, for the heck of it, lets subtract Wii Sports since it comes with it and lets do the same for Wii Play, because nobody is dropping $50 for that game, they are paying $50 for a WiiMote that comes with a free game.

Wii 274,545

What exactly was that I posted that was not correct?  And what was it that I posted as fact?  I am not gushing about the Wii, therefore I am not allowed my opinion based on my own observations?

Now lets use some common sense.  The target for the 360, which I'm sure we can all agree on, is 15-40ish...does it not make sense that this target market would have a higher percentage of people with disposable income?

The only "bias" was my dislike of MP8 and Carnival Games.

 

 

 

 

Maybe you haven't passed grade 6 yet and don't realize that your opinion is not the same as fact. Please show me any source that can demonstrate that the Wii is selling to a dramatically younger demographic than the XBox 360 or PS3.

 



h2dk on 25 September 2007
HappySqurriel said:
h2dk said:

tough crowd, I must have struck a nerve.

Let's look at Software sales from last week (vgchartz)

360 731,887
Wii 422,430

That sorta speaks for itself...

Now, for the heck of it, lets subtract Wii Sports since it comes with it and lets do the same for Wii Play, because nobody is dropping $50 for that game, they are paying $50 for a WiiMote that comes with a free game.

Wii 274,545

What exactly was that I posted that was not correct? And what was it that I posted as fact? I am not gushing about the Wii, therefore I am not allowed my opinion based on my own observations?

Now lets use some common sense. The target for the 360, which I'm sure we can all agree on, is 15-40ish...does it not make sense that this target market would have a higher percentage of people with disposable income?

The only "bias" was my dislike of MP8 and Carnival Games.

 

 

 

 

Maybe you haven't passed grade 6 yet and don't realize that your opinion is not the same as fact. Please show me any source that can demonstrate that the Wii is selling to a dramatically younger demographic than the XBox 360 or PS3.

 


 Easy there Squrriel (or is is squirrel, it's been so long since 6th grade, I don't recall), nowhere did I say I was stating facts.  I am making observations, not making personal attacks, there is no need to be so defensive.

Observation #1:  In the past, Nintendo consoles and Nintendo games have catered to younger audiences

#2:  The current crop of Nintendo games (a majority) cater to a younger audience (or broader if you will)

#3:  Xbox/360 caters to an older audience

 #4:  Sports games (games purchased by 15-40 year olds) sell poorly on the Wii yet have been very succesful on the 360

#5:  "kiddie" games do not sell well on 360 (i.e. Viva Pinata) but do extremely well on the Wii (MP8, Pokemon, WarioWare, etc)

 One could come to a conclusion based on these observations (again, this isn't a fact) that the Wii sells to a younger demographic than the 360.

 

Take that as you will, but I am not defaming your precious Wii...maybe you can explain to me why Madden has sold 7 times more copies on the 360 than the Wii (could it be because Madden caters to an "older audience"?)  And why Mario Strikers Charged can outsell Madden 2 to 1 (could it possibly be because it is "kid friendly"?) 



konnichiwa on 25 September 2007

No, and I think the word SAVE sounds way to negative.






W29 on 25 September 2007

Wii only thread...I'm leaving....



HappySqurriel on 25 September 2007
h2dk said:
HappySqurriel said:
h2dk said:

tough crowd, I must have struck a nerve.

Let's look at Software sales from last week (vgchartz)

360 731,887
Wii 422,430

That sorta speaks for itself...

Now, for the heck of it, lets subtract Wii Sports since it comes with it and lets do the same for Wii Play, because nobody is dropping $50 for that game, they are paying $50 for a WiiMote that comes with a free game.

Wii 274,545

What exactly was that I posted that was not correct? And what was it that I posted as fact? I am not gushing about the Wii, therefore I am not allowed my opinion based on my own observations?

Now lets use some common sense. The target for the 360, which I'm sure we can all agree on, is 15-40ish...does it not make sense that this target market would have a higher percentage of people with disposable income?

The only "bias" was my dislike of MP8 and Carnival Games.

 

 

 

 

Maybe you haven't passed grade 6 yet and don't realize that your opinion is not the same as fact. Please show me any source that can demonstrate that the Wii is selling to a dramatically younger demographic than the XBox 360 or PS3.

 


 Easy there Squrriel (or is is squirrel, it's been so long since 6th grade, I don't recall), nowhere did I say I was stating facts.  I am making observations, not making personal attacks, there is no need to be so defensive.

Observation #1:  In the past, Nintendo consoles and Nintendo games have catered to younger audiences

#2:  The current crop of Nintendo games (a majority) cater to a younger audience (or broader if you will)

#3:  Xbox/360 caters to an older audience

 #4:  Sports games (games purchased by 15-40 year olds) sell poorly on the Wii yet have been very succesful on the 360

#5:  "kiddie" games do not sell well on 360 (i.e. Viva Pinata) but do extremely well on the Wii (MP8, Pokemon, WarioWare, etc)

 One could come to a conclusion based on these observations (again, this isn't a fact) that the Wii sells to a younger demographic than the 360.

 

Take that as you will, but I am not defaming your precious Wii...maybe you can explain to me why Madden has sold 7 times more copies on the 360 than the Wii (could it be because Madden caters to an "older audience"?)  And why Mario Strikers Charged can outsell Madden 2 to 1 (could it possibly be because it is "kid friendly"?) 


Well, my personal observations have been made at stores when browsing the games and I can honestly say that I have never thought I looked like such a child predator then when I was in the XBox 360 section. As much as people want to say that Sports games, Racing games and First Person Shooters sell to older gamers this really isn't true; there is always a large crowd of 11 to 15 year old boys drooling over the XBox 360 collection whilst calling the Wii kiddie. In contrast most of the people around the Wii are currently 20+ year old gamers who are bored with the "same old crap" that is being released on other platforms.

The fact is that your argument really isn't solid ... it is based entirely on your bias' on what demographics certain games and systems are being sold to and then justifying it with observations. Potentially game sales are lower on the Wii because many of the gamers are playing the virtual console games that remind them of when they were a child; you may not believe it but from what I have seen more 30+ year olds are interested in the virtual console than anyone else.