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dahuman, terminators do exist!! Watch your mouth. Next thing you tell me the Easter bunny isn't real.

edit* also I said "in the Terminator 'movies' note the movies part.


You kind of missed my point though. The point of games is to make you feel like something is real. When you drive in Grand Turismo, it isn't real, with a steering wheel it feels "mostly" real. Shooters don't feel real but you can get into it. Rock Band? Not really playing the song but it feels like it. The demo from Peter M. was a step forward in real feeling interactivity. Imagine an RPG where you interact with NPCs that way! Who cares if you are interacting with a script, that's not what is important. Why am I wacky or crazy for bringing this up?

Second, I'm well aware of this technology. I watch the science channel for frick sake. I've seen the exact same kind of face and voice recognition A.I. done on those shows. That said it was just much more impressive on the NATAL with the 3D movement detection. Right down to the reaching into the water and seeing your reflection... it was more showy and in that manner more thought provoking that seeing some wireframe graphical face that looks like Max Headroom "interact" with the MIT geeks programming it. Maybe it was all flash and mirrors but the overall result was more emotional and awing IMO. Its also never been implemented so fully into an already existing hardware platform.

I'm just looking down the line, that's all. I imagine this type of tech mixed with true 3D visuals that immerse you in the graphics. If you mix in some kind of tactile virtual gloves that convey pressure when an item is touched, while not totally realistic you could come away with some doable console VR. But I guess I'm just being wacky. I guess could just dismiss the whole thing in the interest of being skeptical.



Yeah, some motions in games are more comfortably done using buttons. Especially the most common ones like running and jumping.

I mean, sword fighting may be frequent in TP, but you won't be attacked by enemies at all instants, whereas you must move Link around no matter when.

Also imagine an RPG in which you are forced to say the words out loud in order to talk to the NPCs! That's going to be a tiring ordeal that wastes loads of saliva.



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shooters for me is more about competition since I'm also a PC gamer lol. sure it's fine with a Wiimote but if you want to win, you'd still go mouse and keyboard. I hate racing sims now, I still think the best thing ever is actually crazy taxi when you talk about car games. don't like band games, I'd rather play real instruments or not play at all. see? I'm more of a realist, I play games for games, I don't try to simulate real life. that's why I think you are wacky =P.

btw, imagen! a RPG game so mind blowing! that you'd need to prepare water and drinks so your mouth don't run dry! but that's just nitpicking, tbh, I'm looking right past this line since it's a little thin for my liking, I'll wait for what they have in stores next, for people who are more tech informed, this is uh.... lacking from a company like MS.



JPL78 said:

dahuman, terminators do exist!! Watch your mouth. Next thing you tell me the Easter bunny isn't real.

edit* also I said "in the Terminator 'movies' note the movies part.


You kind of missed my point though. The point of games is to make you feel like something is real. When you drive in Grand Turismo, it isn't real, with a steering wheel it feels "mostly" real. Shooters don't feel real but you can get into it. Rock Band? Not really playing the song but it feels like it. The demo from Peter M. was a step forward in real feeling interactivity. Imagine an RPG where you interact with NPCs that way! Who cares if you are interacting with a script, that's not what is important. Why am I wacky or crazy for bringing this up?

Second, I'm well aware of this technology. I watch the science channel for frick sake. I've seen the exact same kind of face and voice recognition A.I. done on those shows. That said it was just much more impressive on the NATAL with the 3D movement detection. Right down to the reaching into the water and seeing your reflection... it was more showy and in that manner more thought provoking that seeing some wireframe graphical face that looks like Max Headroom "interact" with the MIT geeks programming it. Maybe it was all flash and mirrors but the overall result was more emotional and awing IMO. Its also never been implemented so fully into an already existing hardware platform.

I'm just looking down the line, that's all. I imagine this type of tech mixed with true 3D visuals that immerse you in the graphics. If you mix in some kind of tactile virtual gloves that convey pressure when an item is touched, while not totally realistic you could come away with some doable console VR. But I guess I'm just being wacky. I guess could just dismiss the whole thing in the interest of being skeptical.

I disagree.  The point of a game is not to convince you that something is real.

The point of a game is to have fun.  Or maybe to have competition to see who is better at the game.



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JPL78 said:

 The demo from Peter M. was a step forward in real feeling interactivity. Imagine an RPG where you interact with NPCs that way! Who cares if you are interacting with a script, that's not what is important. Why am I wacky or crazy for bringing this up?

Such thing is plain stupid because you have 8 bilion REAL people to interact with in real life. Sorry but I find it dumb to want to interact with virtual characters (expecially good looking ones scripted by fat hairy farts).

Video games are cool because they have nothing to do with reality and they should stay like this. Whoever wants things which feels real should just go out of his room. Real Life is just another game anyway, it's THE GAME actually.



 

dahuman said:

I'd rather play real instruments or not play at all. see? I'm more of a realist, I play games for games, I don't try to simulate real life. that's why I think you are wacky =P.


I guess you had never seen Kevin Pereira on a real drumset and played like a pro (along side a real band, forgot who), just because rock band game that he played... I call that wacky too, but it was awesome and I like it. :p   In other words, you can do alot by just simulate! There real danger is losing the differince between virtual and reality.

FaithRaven said:

Real Life is just another game anyway, it's THE GAME actually.

Well said!



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dahuman, Fair enough. I won't personally even think about getting it unless there is serious software to back it up. Also I'm lazy and like having a controller. I felt like a dirty whore when they where talking bad about how stupid the notion of a controller is during the conference.

As for RPG I wasn't thinking that anal, just more along the lines of instead of clicking a text bubble I just talk the NPC and the conversation flows that way. But with my southern draw he would probably be like "you said stab you in the head?" "NO...I said I'm going to grab some bread!" "Stab you in the head confirmed, prepare to die."

I'm still confused as to why you even play games at all though.. I mean, if you like the competition of shooters why not just play paint ball or join the military?



That is the reason why I want the 360 motion controller to turn out fake.



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