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gorgepir on 23 September 2007
Soriku said:
W29 said:
fkusumot said:
hunter_alien said:
I agree ... look at MHF 2 and GTA : LCS ... those are the perfect proof :)

That is the perfect proof, thanks for bringing up those excellent games. Both of those games appeal immensely to the core gamer and don't expand the market. The PSP is a machine for the core gamer and that's a problem. It is not bringing in a new audience.


You couldn't had said it any better. Sony focuses on the core, whereas Nintendo is really focusing on the casual audience and trying to expand. But sooner or later that audience Nintendo picks up will become hardcore some day and will turn to the PSP.


 W29 said:

True and not true. Hardcores are also buying DS for the RPGs and stuff too, and they trust Nintendo, so not really but some could or some'll buy both. And there's still 6 billion+ people who don't own a VG system. There are so many casuals. This is also a reason Nintendo want casuals, there's an infinite number of them and imagine how much money they'll get if they get at least a portion of the casuals.

And just imagine when those causal become hardcore and get tired of Nintendo game gimmicks. Then they will switch to the PSP.



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W29 on 23 September 2007
gorgepir said:
In my opinion, comparing a handhold device to a console is not fair. A household would probably just get 1 console, but they will have to get 1 handhold per child.
Anyway, I would have to say that it is hard to consider the PSP a failure with all that it has done, but with respect to its ambition which was to steal the handhold market from nintendo, it is a failure. Depends on how you look at it I guess.

The PSP thrashed the previous competiors that went against Nintendo handheld belt and thats an excellent accomplishment and its still growing.

Talk to Soriku about that. He loves to compare the Wii to the PSP and the DS to the 360.



W29 on 23 September 2007
gorgepir said:
Soriku said:
W29 said:
fkusumot said:
hunter_alien said:
I agree ... look at MHF 2 and GTA : LCS ... those are the perfect proof :)

That is the perfect proof, thanks for bringing up those excellent games. Both of those games appeal immensely to the core gamer and don't expand the market. The PSP is a machine for the core gamer and that's a problem. It is not bringing in a new audience.


You couldn't had said it any better. Sony focuses on the core, whereas Nintendo is really focusing on the casual audience and trying to expand. But sooner or later that audience Nintendo picks up will become hardcore some day and will turn to the PSP.


 W29 said:

True and not true. Hardcores are also buying DS for the RPGs and stuff too, and they trust Nintendo, so not really but some could or some'll buy both. And there's still 6 billion+ people who don't own a VG system. There are so many casuals. This is also a reason Nintendo want casuals, there's an infinite number of them and imagine how much money they'll get if they get at least a portion of the casuals.

And just imagine when those causal become hardcore and get tired of Nintendo game gimmicks. Then they will switch to the PSP.


Okay now your finding my posts against you now. Whereas when you guys say Halo 3 is dumb and its boring. I say Nintendo games are boring to. My opinion. And I corrected myself again if you did not look at my previous post. I said "I take back what I said about the Wii, its just the 360 fits my needs of gaming" and instead of putting Wii there, Just put DS and everything is fine.



Christopher_G2 on 23 September 2007
W29 said:
fkusumot said:
hunter_alien said:
I agree ... look at MHF 2 and GTA : LCS ... those are the perfect proof :)

 That is the perfect proof, thanks for bringing up those excellent games. Both of those games appeal immensely to the core gamer and don't expand the market. The PSP is a machine for the core gamer and that's a problem. It is not bringing in a new audience.


You couldn't had said it any better. Sony focuses on the core, whereas Nintendo is really focusing on the casual audience and trying to expand. But sooner or later that audience Nintendo picks up will become hardcore some day and will turn to the PSP.


 

Wow you really need to take a step back. First of all if the PSP is so hardcore why does the average DS owner by more games than the average PSP owner? Check the sales, thats true both in the US and Japan and probably in Europe as well. And then your saying the DS base is going to start buying PSPs. Now poeple switch systems all the time, but I don't see very many DS owners going all the way to the PSP. Maybe they'll get a PSP in addition to the DS, but they'll still probably like and play the DS more and buy more games for it. I've been thinking about getting a PSP, but that's only for Final Fantasy and God of War, nothing else really interests me.

The fact is the DS is a much more hardcore handheld than you want to admit. Just wait until all these RPGs start coming and the DS because a clear must have for hardcore RPG fans. Many hardcore gamers will buy the system for Zelda when it comes out soon in the west. And frankly I don't even like the labling of people who play games like Nintendogs and Brain Age, and the puzzle games on the system, as casual gamers. They like playing games probably as much as you do they just play different games than you do. You know where the casual market really is in handheld gaming, it's on cell phones. The DS is a system for the dedicated handheld gamer. The PSP is for the person who wants a part time gaming machine on a multimedia device.

 



gorgepir on 23 September 2007
W29 said:
gorgepir said:
Soriku said:
W29 said:
fkusumot said:
hunter_alien said:
I agree ... look at MHF 2 and GTA : LCS ... those are the perfect proof :)

That is the perfect proof, thanks for bringing up those excellent games. Both of those games appeal immensely to the core gamer and don't expand the market. The PSP is a machine for the core gamer and that's a problem. It is not bringing in a new audience.


You couldn't had said it any better. Sony focuses on the core, whereas Nintendo is really focusing on the casual audience and trying to expand. But sooner or later that audience Nintendo picks up will become hardcore some day and will turn to the PSP.


W29 said:

True and not true. Hardcores are also buying DS for the RPGs and stuff too, and they trust Nintendo, so not really but some could or some'll buy both. And there's still 6 billion+ people who don't own a VG system. There are so many casuals. This is also a reason Nintendo want casuals, there's an infinite number of them and imagine how much money they'll get if they get at least a portion of the casuals.

And just imagine when those causal become hardcore and get tired of Nintendo game gimmicks. Then they will switch to the PSP.


Okay now your finding my posts against you now. Whereas when you guys say Halo 3 is dumb and its boring. I say Nintendo games are boring to. My opinion. And I corrected myself again if you did not look at my previous post. I said "I take back what I said about the Wii, its just the 360 fits my needs of gaming" and instead of putting Wii there, Just put DS and everything is fine.


 I am not responbile if someone said that Halo 3 is dumb. "You guys" is such a vague term you know. Not everyone is a fanboy. I just pointed out that saying the Wii and DS is a gimmick is kinda a cheap shot, just like saying Halo3 is dumb is. 

I had already posted when you had written that response, if I had saw that I guess I wouldn't have said that.



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W29 on 23 September 2007
gorgepir said:
W29 said:
gorgepir said:
Soriku said:
W29 said:
fkusumot said:
hunter_alien said:
I agree ... look at MHF 2 and GTA : LCS ... those are the perfect proof :)

That is the perfect proof, thanks for bringing up those excellent games. Both of those games appeal immensely to the core gamer and don't expand the market. The PSP is a machine for the core gamer and that's a problem. It is not bringing in a new audience.


You couldn't had said it any better. Sony focuses on the core, whereas Nintendo is really focusing on the casual audience and trying to expand. But sooner or later that audience Nintendo picks up will become hardcore some day and will turn to the PSP.


W29 said:

True and not true. Hardcores are also buying DS for the RPGs and stuff too, and they trust Nintendo, so not really but some could or some'll buy both. And there's still 6 billion+ people who don't own a VG system. There are so many casuals. This is also a reason Nintendo want casuals, there's an infinite number of them and imagine how much money they'll get if they get at least a portion of the casuals.

And just imagine when those causal become hardcore and get tired of Nintendo game gimmicks. Then they will switch to the PSP.


Okay now your finding my posts against you now. Whereas when you guys say Halo 3 is dumb and its boring. I say Nintendo games are boring to. My opinion. And I corrected myself again if you did not look at my previous post. I said "I take back what I said about the Wii, its just the 360 fits my needs of gaming" and instead of putting Wii there, Just put DS and everything is fine.


 I am not responbile if someone said that Halo 3 is dumb. "You guys" is such a vague term you know. Not everyone is a fanboy. I just pointed out that saying the Wii and DS is a gimmick is kinda a cheap shot, just like saying Halo3 is dumb is. 

I had already posted when you had written that response, if I had saw that I guess I wouldn't have said that.


I tired of arguing drop the subject.



tk1797 on 23 September 2007

W29 took back what he said about the wii being a gimmick. Let's just move on.



 

W29 on 23 September 2007
tk1797 said:
W29 took back what he said about the wii being a gimmick. Let's just move on.

Thanks. Like men we should move on.

 



hunter_alien on 23 September 2007
gorgepir said:
In my opinion, comparing a handhold device to a console is not fair. A household would probably just get 1 console, but they will have to get 1 handhold per child.
Anyway, I would have to say that it is hard to consider the PSP a failure with all that it has done, but with respect to its ambition which was to steal the handhold market from nintendo, it is a failure. Depends on how you look at it I guess.

 Exactly . It is  a fact that Sony was thinking about making an easy entry and steal the handheld market just with the help of their names . They hade not managed to do that , but still , just by beeing bale to cut more than a third of the handheld market , they managed to achieve something that no other company could have done , never , ever = taking a spot alongside Nintendo , and thus finally prooving that there is room for more even there :) If we are judging from the second point of view ( as I like to do ) than the PSP is a full blown success :)



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fkusumot on 23 September 2007
W29 said:
fkusumot said:
W29 said:
How can my opinion be wrong? How can you make me change my personal opinion?

You could merely be delusional. Not that you are.


Oh so your basically telling me that I'm jealous or have a disorder? Yeah thats what your saying. Can I report that to the mods. I know they would seriously ban you saying dumb sh*t like that.

Also do you have $250 for a Wii and $130 for a DS for me? So I can purchase it?

Cause the last time I checked? I said I want ONE! handheld and ONE! console and the ONE handheld is the PSP and the ONE console is the Xbox 360.


 Uhm, what?



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