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pbroy on 19 May 2009

What kind of comparison is this? Sales wise.. yes, Star Ocean 4 may sell more. Quality wise, Valkyria Chronicles is better than all of the 360's RPGs combined... and from that we can form the conclusion that the PS3 is better than the 360, all thanks to Sega. n_n

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sonicshuffle on 19 May 2009

Valkyria chronicles for the win!



 

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Zuhyc on 19 May 2009
nen-suer said:
@Zuhyc

wanna bet

 

We have a deal!



outlawauron on 19 May 2009
Rainbird said:
nen-suer said:
@Zuhyc

Did u just compare eternal sonata with Star Ocean!!!

I think he is right. I don't think a PS3 version of SO4 would outsell the 360 version, not in Japan or the rest of the world. Due to both the quality of the game turning some potential buyers off, the long delay between release (which means some people will already have turned to the Xbox 360) and also the shrinking home console market in Japan.

And even so, the quality of the port would also matter. If it's just a straight up port with no extras added or benefits of any kind, then it will certainly sell less then a game recieving the same treatment as ToV/ES did, and since SE have yet to do a port of the same kind this generation, it's hard to say what will happen.

I'd wait to see what Tales of Vesperia does. Both ToV and SO4 are big brands and have the potential to sell very well.



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Rainbird on 19 May 2009
outlawauron said:
Rainbird said:
nen-suer said:
@Zuhyc

Did u just compare eternal sonata with Star Ocean!!!

I think he is right. I don't think a PS3 version of SO4 would outsell the 360 version, not in Japan or the rest of the world. Due to both the quality of the game turning some potential buyers off, the long delay between release (which means some people will already have turned to the Xbox 360) and also the shrinking home console market in Japan.

And even so, the quality of the port would also matter. If it's just a straight up port with no extras added or benefits of any kind, then it will certainly sell less then a game recieving the same treatment as ToV/ES did, and since SE have yet to do a port of the same kind this generation, it's hard to say what will happen.

I'd wait to see what Tales of Vesperia does. Both ToV and SO4 are big brands and have the potential to sell very well.

True. But I'm looking forward to buying ToV, while I currently don't give a shit about SO4, nor would I if it was given a straight up port to the PS3. So who knows...



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outlawauron on 19 May 2009
Rainbird said:
outlawauron said:
Rainbird said:
nen-suer said:
@Zuhyc

Did u just compare eternal sonata with Star Ocean!!!

I think he is right. I don't think a PS3 version of SO4 would outsell the 360 version, not in Japan or the rest of the world. Due to both the quality of the game turning some potential buyers off, the long delay between release (which means some people will already have turned to the Xbox 360) and also the shrinking home console market in Japan.

And even so, the quality of the port would also matter. If it's just a straight up port with no extras added or benefits of any kind, then it will certainly sell less then a game recieving the same treatment as ToV/ES did, and since SE have yet to do a port of the same kind this generation, it's hard to say what will happen.

I'd wait to see what Tales of Vesperia does. Both ToV and SO4 are big brands and have the potential to sell very well.

True. But I'm looking forward to buying ToV, while I currently don't give a shit about SO4, nor would I if it was given a straight up port to the PS3. So who knows...

Tales of Symphonia sold 320k on the Gamecube and the late port sold 400k on PS2.



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Rainbird on 19 May 2009
outlawauron said:
Rainbird said:
outlawauron said:
Rainbird said:
nen-suer said:
@Zuhyc

Did u just compare eternal sonata with Star Ocean!!!

I think he is right. I don't think a PS3 version of SO4 would outsell the 360 version, not in Japan or the rest of the world. Due to both the quality of the game turning some potential buyers off, the long delay between release (which means some people will already have turned to the Xbox 360) and also the shrinking home console market in Japan.

And even so, the quality of the port would also matter. If it's just a straight up port with no extras added or benefits of any kind, then it will certainly sell less then a game recieving the same treatment as ToV/ES did, and since SE have yet to do a port of the same kind this generation, it's hard to say what will happen.

I'd wait to see what Tales of Vesperia does. Both ToV and SO4 are big brands and have the potential to sell very well.

True. But I'm looking forward to buying ToV, while I currently don't give a shit about SO4, nor would I if it was given a straight up port to the PS3. So who knows...

Tales of Symphonia sold 320k on the Gamecube and the late port sold 400k on PS2.

Which would be a better analogy if it was a PS3->Wii port for this generation, but we'll just have to wait and see.



outlawauron on 19 May 2009
Rainbird said:
outlawauron said:
Rainbird said:
outlawauron said:
Rainbird said:
nen-suer said:
@Zuhyc

Did u just compare eternal sonata with Star Ocean!!!

I think he is right. I don't think a PS3 version of SO4 would outsell the 360 version, not in Japan or the rest of the world. Due to both the quality of the game turning some potential buyers off, the long delay between release (which means some people will already have turned to the Xbox 360) and also the shrinking home console market in Japan.

And even so, the quality of the port would also matter. If it's just a straight up port with no extras added or benefits of any kind, then it will certainly sell less then a game recieving the same treatment as ToV/ES did, and since SE have yet to do a port of the same kind this generation, it's hard to say what will happen.

I'd wait to see what Tales of Vesperia does. Both ToV and SO4 are big brands and have the potential to sell very well.

True. But I'm looking forward to buying ToV, while I currently don't give a shit about SO4, nor would I if it was given a straight up port to the PS3. So who knows...

Tales of Symphonia sold 320k on the Gamecube and the late port sold 400k on PS2.

Which would be a better analogy if it was a PS3->Wii port for this generation, but we'll just have to wait and see.

Yeah, but the market for PS2 JRPGs was saturated. The higher userbase is the only think it had going for it.



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Seneque on 19 May 2009
Torillian said:
gameman said:
Star Ocean has been on the market for about 5 months less than VC. This is a testament of the atomic failure of that game.

Y'know I was talking to Machina before about the increased sales of VC expressing my joy that it has gotten to a point where it is hard to think that Sega didn't make money.  He told me that some people will always call it a failure for various reasons.  I honestly didn't want to believe him.

It's been a long time since I last talk about Valkyria Chronicle's sales. I was among the disappointed one. Feel reassured, my opinion has completely changed.

I don't remember who said "The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success." (or something like that), but it think it really applies to this case.

When I first read about this game, and after it became apparent that it was a major effort from Sega, in either the graphical, gameplay or team-level department, I felt both very excited and anxious. Excited, as one of my favorite genre was about to get a new little gem. Anxious, as it felt like "Shenmue" all over again, maybe worse since it was quite a niche genre...

When the first day sales were published, I was quite disgusted (and have been pretty vocal about it). Considering previous sales from similar games, and most of the PS3 softwares sales-trend, it was very likely that the game would struggle to even reach 100k units in its life-time in Japan. And like most Japanese RPG, it would make a fraction of that in the USA and Europe.

Fact is that this game didn't have conventionnal sales at all : it nearly doubled its first day sales, had some unusual legs for the genre, and I certainly never expected it to sell 6k+ each week 1 year after its released (anime or not).

In the USA, I never thought the game would managed to rank higher than "Street Fighter IV" in the April NPD. Well, theorically, given that it was its 6th months on shelves, it shouldn't even have charted.

Though I think the comparison with "Star Ocean IV" is stupid (at least in its formulation : this is not a fight to know who sells the most, but a fight to rentability, and both can achieve it), it is actually illustrative of Valkyria Chronicle's great performance : "Star Ocean IV" doesn't chart this month (its 2nd or 3rd one, I think), nor did "Tales of Vesperia" or "Tales of Symphonia Wii" in their 2nd month (if I remember correctly).

Right now, VC is on its course to 500K units worldwide sales and has managed to reach a public outside of its niche. As it looks now, a sequel even could reach the million.

Well, I'm glad that 1 of my top 3 game of this generation didn't fail. I can only just hope "Little King's Story" and "Rune Factory Frontier" will know a similar positive fate.

NB: Still, I think it was initially quite suicidal from Sega's part.

NB 2: I'm really impressed by how long, boring and repetive my text is. Sorry...