Ronster, you are in denial. Sega killed their consumer confidence, not Sony. Sega pissed of retailers in the US and Japan. Not Sony. Sega turned down the N64 architecture for the 9 processor nightmare called Saturn. Sega spent R&D money on two seperate architectures for the Dreamcast. Yes that is right, Sega of America and Sega of Japan had to seperate chipsets in development for what became the Dreamcast. Sega of America comissioned 3Dfx based console design, Sega of Japan commissioned a PowerVR based design. So not only did they spend twice the R&D necessary. They had to go to court when 3Dfx sued them after they choose the PowerVR design. This kind of stupidity that epitomizes the business end of Sega.

Sega was the most versatile developer in the gaming industry. They were the only developer capable of making a AAA title in any genre. Yet they were unable to capatilize on their software quality and be a financial success. Sega should have been able to sustain at bare minimum a niche market in the console business purely based on their own software. Similar to how Nintendo continued to make money after third parties jumped ship to Sony. Unfortunately the business minds at Sega were just as incompetent as their game development minds were brilliant.

Could you add something like "IMO" or "in my wet dreams" ?

@ Garnett

To quote devs:

"The disadvantage of Sony's [PSN] is that there isn't as much defined by Sony as to how you have to do things - they leave it very much up to you", "But at the same time, because it's not as strongly defined, you have the freedom to do it in the way that you want [on PSN] - in a way that may be more suitable to your game."

"Microsoft is only slowly increasing requirements and opening up the constraints of Xbox Live. It's been a slow process, whereas PSN hasn't been restricted by size"

"The hard drive is needed to store temporary data when playing online as the data transferred from one console to another requires storage space greater than what the memory card can contain."

Microsoft is a lot stricter and demands the usage of their less flexible protocols.

Ronster, you are in denial. Sega killed their consumer confidence, not Sony. Sega pissed of retailers in the US and Japan. Not Sony. Sega turned down the N64 architecture for the 9 processor nightmare called Saturn. Sega spent R&D money on two seperate architectures for the Dreamcast. Yes that is right, Sega of America and Sega of Japan had to seperate chipsets in development for what became the Dreamcast. Sega of America comissioned 3Dfx based console design, Sega of Japan commissioned a PowerVR based design. So not only did they spend twice the R&D necessary. They had to go to court when 3Dfx sued them after they choose the PowerVR design. This kind of stupidity that epitomizes the business end of Sega.

Sega was the most versatile developer in the gaming industry. They were the only developer capable of making a AAA title in any genre. Yet they were unable to capatilize on their software quality and be a financial success. Sega should have been able to sustain at bare minimum a niche market in the console business purely based on their own software. Similar to how Nintendo continued to make money after third parties jumped ship to Sony. Unfortunately the business minds at Sega were just as incompetent as their game development minds were brilliant.

Ok, fair enough......... 1st "corporation" to p*ss on REAL gaming companies like Sega and Nintendo.

I stand corrected.

Either way i don't like how they got in to this business and therefore will never have any respect for them.

Ronster, I completely agree with any of your posts in this thread. My primary reason for holding a grudge against Sony is that I grew up with Sega during the 8bit and 16bit era, and have identified Sony as those who essentially put them out of business. I admit that Sega made huge mistakes themselves, but _if_ it had been just Sega and Nintendo forever, I imagine that Sega would still build hardware. So I hate Sony for entering this business.

That being said, it's not really important to me that PS3 beats Xbox. On the contrary, I would love to see the PS3 fail even more than it has up till now.

Indeed Golvellius.

When will people get it in to their head that just about every playstation sold (unless people bought both) meant one less Sega saturn console sold.

How can anyone say that sony's arrival in to the gaming business didn't hurt Sega?

tut tut tut

PS3beats360 said:

 How important is it to you PS3 beats 360 in console sales war?

Please answer my question. My username, threads and posts obviously tells you who I want to win this generation.