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Noobie said:

Intro
i want to keep it short so i will say that PS3 launch is known to everyone and even diehard PS fans are not going to call it a success. Many assumed that Sony will exit from this high risk, low margin business. But so far they have not only remained in the race but they are doing ok. i will say its NTS/G state. (not too sorry & neither too good state). Anyway, leaving past and present aside, my point is that why PS3 is going to survive the longest or more than PS2.

Reason 1: Its The technology 
PS2 was launched in 2000 with DVD Drive but at that time DVD drive was pretty common and so within few yrs (2 i think) BD consortium was formed.  At the time of PS2 launch DVD was well rooted in the market. But PS3 which has the BD drive was no where in the market. So it was actually PS3 which introduced BD and also created a market for it. So the technology PS3 has got should help it to remain easily for longer period in the market. 

This is not true.  When the PS2 came out is was the cheapest DVD player out there and it helped shift from VHS to DVD especially in Japan.

Reason 2. Games
When PS2 launched all the its major IPs franchises like GTA, GT, FFXIII launched within 2 yrs. or around 2 yrs. But many of these major franchises for PS3 has yet to be released. GT and FFXIII and God OF War III. In my view only 1 major IP has been released on PS3 yet which is MGS4.

Oh there have been other major IP's but they haven't been any good. Lair anyone??  Not to mention 360 has stolen a lot of the 3rd party thunder.

 

 



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Noobie said:
rckrz6 said:

We are already due for a new console, these consoles are sersiouly gimped with ram. they should come with bigger HDD and every game should have an install.  We don;t see enough 1080p games which is ashame

I think it is more due to the lack of well optimized engines.. but now we r getting to the point where we are seeing better and better games every day, due to the increase in optimizations. Initially the engine are build to provide all the functionality and compatibility, then slowly and steadily optimizations are build into it. so even if 10 time fast machine is launched today its not going to provide performance until or unless its specific optimizations are not done. 

Secondly we already know that reaching 10Ghz is next to impossible. Intel launched 3.73 Ghz max on P4 and they couldn't push it any higher.. Also apart from PowerPC 6 i don't think any machine has broken 4 Ghz barrier. So Cell is very speedy machine but its potential can only be extracted if all its SPUs are utilized optimally.. and i m sure PS3 can provide 1080p with 30 fps gaming in a yr or so

I have a 3.6Ghz P4 in my rig and it's nowhere near as fast as the new processors out there.  This is because processor speed isn't everything.  Advancemnts in FSB and QPI not to mention multiple cores have made today's processors much faster then the old P4's.

I have overclocked my 3.6 to 4.0 with ease.

 



EMULATION is the past.....NOW.......B_E_L_I_E_V_E

 

 


arsenicazure said:
Here is prolly why the PS3 wont last as long as the PS2:

Motion tech: I know most of us HD owners loathe it, but if used correctly it can be a lot of fun. Its not the ideal method of input for a lot of things.. say fighting games but it can be helpful in FPS, RTS etc. With rumors of m$ constantly putting out tech.. waggle, 3D cameras etc, its a no brainer that motion tech is going to be just as important as the standard gamepad in future consoles. The ps3 is pseudo motion tech compatible so if 3 yrs from now all consoles go motiontech PS3 will be left kinda dry(so will the 360)

Bluray- It was innovative, and a brave effort by SONY- but look around and you see that Bluray hasnt seeped into the home yet. Bluray ROMS or even Blyray R/RW drives are scarce in PC's and all games on the PC come on DVD9, heck even apple isnt biting the Bluray bullet for macs yet. It is the defacto HD movie format, but with cheaper memory(32nm coming this year) and with reasonably priced 16-32-64 GB (Vs bluray 25/50/100)flash drives available by the end of the year, digital downloads are going to look a lot more compelling.

Price- Sure there is room for cuts, I mean there has to be at a $400 pricetag.. the only problem being the hardware is too darn complex to allow it, add in the recession and sony would rather sell 110kunits/week/ww at a loss of say $20-40 than 160kunits/w/ww at a $80-90 loss.

Lack of success in america- well they have more money than all the other regions and Americas sells the most software. You cant be having an abysmal rate of 17% market share in the biggest video gaming region in the world.

Xbox720- IT will happen, and it should in another 2.5-3yrs. Given what M$ has learned they will aim for the $299-399 price range this time. PS3 wont look so pretty with a $200(half the current price) pricetag if m$ is going to pull the $299 gun with its next console which should be at any rate atleast 2-5 times as powerful as the PS3.

Cost- the ps3 is costing SONY by the day and with the recession, wii and retaliation by m$ it looks like sony have caught themselves in a perfect storm.

The PS2 was a monster, it devoured the DC and never ever stopped selling like hotcakes. It had FF as an exclusive, GT:SA was a huge hit and it had all the RPG's one would ever need. It also had DVD.. the defacto standard for PC/movies/media. It also was one of the first to launch(barring the DC ofcourse) and had a huge headstart.

The ps3 is an albatross around SONY's neck for the moment- and unless they cut costs and pass it onto the consumer or make blu ray cheap and viable(drives, movies or blank media).. the PS3 will never outsell the 360, let alone outlive the PS2.

1. Sony launched dual shock after sixaxis so i don't think it will be much hard for them to add a motion controller if they do get the tech right. After all controller is an external part and i don't think it will require anything inside big black PS3 box..??

2. Sony has already PSN and delivering quite a few games on it. There is no limit on the game size either.? So you are saying that they will just launch a new console to take advantage of digital download.? I can see they can take it right now.

Moreoever not everyone likes to download games. So if they go Download Only it can backfire too.. and remember PS3 is not sold in america and EU.. many places in the world still have a lousy internet speed including the BRIC countries. So they will need sometime to catch up to the speed of the rest of the world and removing the easier way of distribution is going to cause another problem.

3. But the hardware is becoming cheap and with every one passing day they are reducing the cost.. Thats the beauty of technology. So now when the PS3 is becoming cheaper they will launch a new technology.? This sound a little stupid to me.

4. I think there are already many threads showing the PS3 is selling equal percentage of software to hardware in American as is XBOX.. or u can start a new thread and show how PS3 ratio is worst than XBOX360.. 

And again once the PS3 becomes cheaper more and more people will buy it and more software will be sold.

5. Is launching a more powerful console the answer to the problems.? and i think this time even MS is not going to launch a console without fully testing it.. They have spent a lot on repairs... 

6. Thats the same.? how is launching the new console going to reduce the cost... There is a concept economies of scale and if Sony launch a whole new console it will have defect rate and more costly tech and it will also need time to reduce in price.. 

 

So two wrongs are not going to make a Right.

 



darklich13 said:
Noobie said:
rckrz6 said:

We are already due for a new console, these consoles are sersiouly gimped with ram. they should come with bigger HDD and every game should have an install.  We don;t see enough 1080p games which is ashame

I think it is more due to the lack of well optimized engines.. but now we r getting to the point where we are seeing better and better games every day, due to the increase in optimizations. Initially the engine are build to provide all the functionality and compatibility, then slowly and steadily optimizations are build into it. so even if 10 time fast machine is launched today its not going to provide performance until or unless its specific optimizations are not done. 

Secondly we already know that reaching 10Ghz is next to impossible. Intel launched 3.73 Ghz max on P4 and they couldn't push it any higher.. Also apart from PowerPC 6 i don't think any machine has broken 4 Ghz barrier. So Cell is very speedy machine but its potential can only be extracted if all its SPUs are utilized optimally.. and i m sure PS3 can provide 1080p with 30 fps gaming in a yr or so

I have a 3.6Ghz P4 in my rig and it's nowhere near as fast as the new processors out there.  This is because processor speed isn't everything.  Advancemnts in FSB and QPI not to mention multiple cores have made today's processors much faster then the old P4's.

I have overclocked my 3.6 to 4.0 with ease.

 

Fortunately Cell has multiple cores and it also has a very fast interconnects.. and the problem with normal processors is that they are meant for different sort of task whereas the purpose of console processor is to play games only. So i think with a good game engine which uses the strength of the processors and hides the weakness of it, is going to provide very good result. 

So i believe PS3 has enough power to output 1080p with 30 fps.. Why have a more powerful machine when ur target is to output 1080p and 30fps.? until or unless they want to dynamically change the experience i think its good enough.

 



Reasons why it will.

Price - it sales well enough at $400 its got many cuts to be made in the future to spur and maintain steady sales.

Capability - the games are damn good look great and will continue to get better as they did with previous PS consoles.

1st party support, as long as GT GOW Uncharted Ratchet whatever is being released the console will live.

Gimmick motion controls can be added, just bundle the new controller with games designed for it.



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Just read a thread on Howard Stinger Comments which can be found on this thread.

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=72091

"We developed brand new, absolutely incredible technology for the PlayStation 3 (PS3), but the cost was high", Stringer told Nikkei Electronics Asia. "We've adopted a slightly different approach now, and are evolving the PS3 into a platform for web services".

So if they feel that PS3 is evolving than how ppl are expecting to have such a short life.? i mean the management of Sony is definitely seeing potential and they can take full benefit out of it, if it has a longer life span..

I wander why ppl are so adverse to the idea that PS3 is going to live a bit longer .. it doesn't mean it will be as successful as PS2 or Wii but.. when Sony have put so much in the infrastructure and technology in PS3 and they are making it center of their services than how can they dump it suddenly.?



CGI-Quality said:
Noobie said:
Just read a thread on Howard Stinger Comments which can be found on this thread.

"We developed brand new, absolutely incredible technology for the PlayStation 3 (PS3), but the cost was high", Stringer told Nikkei Electronics Asia. "We've adopted a slightly different approach now, and are evolving the PS3 into a platform for web services".

So if they feel that PS3 is evolving than how ppl are expecting to have such a short life.? i mean the management of Sony is definitely seeing potential and they can take full benefit out of it, if it has a longer life span..

I wander why ppl are so adverse to the idea that PS3 is going to live a bit longer .. it doesn't mean it will be as successful as PS2 or Wii but.. when Sony have put so much in the infrastructure and technology in PS3 and they are making it center of their services than how can they dump it suddenly.?

The majority of the people claiming this probably just DON'T want it to last long. Not that it will or won't, just that they would rather see it fail which is quite sad to be perfectly frank...

You are right.. i don't agree with Sony's strategy either but when i see their persistance and when i see the economic condition and especially Sony's own condition i don't see that they can launch another console.

Console launches are expensive, they need time, resources, infrastructure, now atleast they have console around which they have build an infrastructure, its billions of dollars of infrasture in the shape of PSN, Home, compilers, game engines, OS and suddenly they can't just abandon it and start over again.. it will kill them financially. 

I see that the only way they can survive is to persist with it.. and honestly speaking the main problem i see they have NOW is of console price.. rest of the PS3 issues have been well taken care of. they have truly unique and wide variety of high quality games and MultiPlatform has become much better on it too. we are seeing good software support also from the developers now. 

So i don't understand how people think that launching a new console will save Sony Money.? how they will save money if they launch a new console in 2 yrs.? 

 



I don´t think it should.The Ps2 did because it was enormously successful whilst the ps3 is not.I predict out of the three consoles this generation the Wii will have the longest live span.



I agreee with Smashchu2, in that the perspective needs to be moved away from Sony to the customers. They are the ones in control of the future of the PS3. All Sony can do is to reassure the consumers and position their product so as best to appeal to them.

When noone wants to buy PS3's anymore it will stop selling, regardless of price, Sony statements, gamereleases or other things.

The population limit for consoles this generation, what will it be? I would ask Oyvoyvoyv, but he's banned. But around 140 million for the HD consoles? That seems fair? I predict PS3 and 360 will end up around 10 million from each other, so PS3 can sell between 65 and 75 million. Tops.

The PS3 currently sells around 10 million per year. So 6 or 7 years more, tops. Then the console will be selling like the Ps2 is doing now, or worse. The only thing that could save the console then is if there is no new generation. If there isn't, people will have to replace their broken PS3's with new PS3's, and not PS4's.

So if by 2015 there is no new generation as we know it, I would say that the PS3 has a chance at surviving longer than the PS2. Otherwise, I doubt it.

And from a consumer standpoint the first statement about technology is insane. In only a couple of years, the Blu-ray player in the PS3 will (as a blu-ray player) be a complete non-issue.



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yeah i doubt it