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forevercloud3000 said:
GooseGaws said:
forevercloud3000 said:
@Goose
If they had just released the Demo alongside the FFVII AC Complete BD movie like they did in Japan, it could be fairly easy to slip in a few bucks as payment for the Demo.

THis particular matter is no longer up for debate though. We got the truth from the horse's mouth, it wasn't put on PS3 NOW because it wouldn't be fair to the 360 :P

He actually said that was "partly" why they weren't doing the demo at this time.  There are other factors involved, no doubt.  Again, what value is it for them to spend time working on a demo for a game so far from release when they're not likely to be able to charge for it?  Why not wait and do it later (if at all), when it's more relevant and there may be another software title to pair it with (as with DQVIII)?

I just told you, FFVII ACC was their ticket to charge for it. You do know that the demo was not sold seperately at all, but with that movie, right? I am positive some of the cost of the movie came from the demo. The same could be done with the american release(which isnt far off). Kitase just said it, in the OP, that they have already started the text and voice translations. The Demo is not even that long, And I am positive it is towards the beginning of the game. Shouldn't that part of the translation be done already?

And in other threads many tryed to argue that it was an  impossibility for the 360 release to be what stunted the Demo's release in america, now the story has changed to "its only one of many reasons". Not saying you were one of the people saying that, just putting it out there. I dont believe there was much else besides the 360(as said in the above paragraph).

 

The one with the demo costs $15 more.



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Carl2291 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Carl2291 said:
I hate MS for this.

 

 

Blame SE....i've already seen the demo...but in Japanese. The demo is already done, they just haven't converted the game completely to English. By the way, how is Sony delivering tomorrow, today?

MS gets the blame for having it on the 360! If they didnt want it id have the demo by years end! (maybe )

And because imo the PS3 is way more advanced than anything else on the market.


It was SE's decision to put FF on the 360....not Microsoft. The demo is already out, but in full Japanese. It's SE's fault for not doing the voice overs.

@ S.T.A.G.E.
NO! MS wanted FF13 for 360, to say they didnt is stupid. I whole heartedly blame MS for this sacriledge of me not getting FF13 any earlier



                            

BMaker11 said:
Darc Requiem said:
Onyxmeth, stop wasting your time. I've gone back and forth with these Sony fanboys on this subject several times. They are incapable of understanding logic and blame MS no matter what. I've been saying for months that its 6 months on average for FF games to hit the US and about 11 months for them to hit Europe. Kitase confirms this and do they eat crow nope, they still find more BS reasons to blame MS. As you so deftly stated, the demo is in Japanese and would require localization.

To you also, what part of KITSASE'S OWN WORDS don't you understand:

"Because we are going to carry on the project along the 360 version, so we really can't make it available only for the PS3"

That has nothing to do with eating crow, that has nothing to do with "not understanding logic". He said it right there. In a nutshell "An American PS3 demo will not come with FFVII:ACC because the 360 version isn't even close to done, so we want to be fair. Although the PS3 version has already been done, and all we need is an hour of voiceover (which by the same interview, they're doing localization at the same time as developing the Japanese version), we aren't going to release it stateside, because again, the 360 version isn't done"

They released TLR when the PS3 version wasn't done......why won't they give us a demo and then later on, the full game BEFORE 360 owners (because it'll certainly be done before then)? Answer: Blame M$

 

No one is denying what was said. I fully agree that the scenario is as you describe it. However, that is Square's choice to make(being "fair" to 360 owners), thus making it their fault for making that choice. Microsoft as far as any of us know is uninvolved in the decision to release or not release this demo in NTSC/PAL regions. Them being uninvolved, and Square having a choice makes it hard to put the blame on MS in the first place and very easy to put the blame on the actual decision makers at Square.

Now you'll then come back and tell me, "but if the 360 wasn't getting a port, then this wouldn't have been a problem". That is very true, however it's also Square's fault for deciding to make it multiplatform in the first place. Square CHOSE to do that. There were no Microsoft guns held to Square executives' heads to force this scenario.

You (and others in this thread) remind me of the politicians and parents that blame videogames for the violent murders that children commit every year. Yeah let's blame the videogames(MS) instead of blaming the nutcase kid(Square Enix) that pulled the trigger/hung somebody/cut someone's head off. It's called scapegoating, and that's what MS is in this case.

 



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Darc Requiem said:
BMaker11 said:
Darc Requiem said:
Onyxmeth, stop wasting your time. I've gone back and forth with these Sony fanboys on this subject several times. They are incapable of understanding logic and blame MS no matter what. I've been saying for months that its 6 months on average for FF games to hit the US and about 11 months for them to hit Europe. Kitase confirms this and do they eat crow nope, they still find more BS reasons to blame MS. As you so deftly stated, the demo is in Japanese and would require localization.

To you also, what part of KITSASE'S OWN WORDS don't you understand:

"Because we are going to carry on the project along the 360 version, so we really can't make it available only for the PS3"

That has nothing to do with eating crow, that has nothing to do with "not understanding logic". He said it right there. In a nutshell "An American PS3 demo will not come with FFVII:ACC because the 360 version isn't even close to done, so we want to be fair. Although the PS3 version has already been done, and all we need is an hour of voiceover (which by the same interview, they're doing localization at the same time as developing the Japanese version), we aren't going to release it stateside, because again, the 360 version isn't done"

They released TLR when the PS3 version wasn't done......why won't they give us a demo and then later on, the full game BEFORE 360 owners (because it'll certainly be done before then)? Answer: Blame M$

 

I understand his words perfectly. He says they've begun some of the text localization process already. They've started to record English voices. What about his words don't you understand. I also like how you conveniently skipped over the part about the localization time for Final Fantasy titles. Sony fanboys have essentially been saying that FFXIII would have singular worldwide release date if it were PS3 only for months, despite available evidence to the contrary. Sony fanboys also would have us believe that Japanese companies release untranslated demos to the rest of the world all time. Neither of which is true, which is the reason I told Onyxmeth he was wasting his time dealing with you and the rest of your ilk.

@SlumsofOhio

You would think that's Square Enix's fault, but I'm sure on of our resident Sony fanboys will somehow blame Kitase's ignorance of downloadable demo's on Microsoft as well.

Usually half a year....I didn't skip that part. BUT THAT'S FOR A 50+ HOUR GAME EXPERIENCE, NOT A ONE HOUR DEMO!

 



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Onyxmeth said:
BMaker11 said:
Darc Requiem said:
Onyxmeth, stop wasting your time. I've gone back and forth with these Sony fanboys on this subject several times. They are incapable of understanding logic and blame MS no matter what. I've been saying for months that its 6 months on average for FF games to hit the US and about 11 months for them to hit Europe. Kitase confirms this and do they eat crow nope, they still find more BS reasons to blame MS. As you so deftly stated, the demo is in Japanese and would require localization.

To you also, what part of KITSASE'S OWN WORDS don't you understand:

"Because we are going to carry on the project along the 360 version, so we really can't make it available only for the PS3"

That has nothing to do with eating crow, that has nothing to do with "not understanding logic". He said it right there. In a nutshell "An American PS3 demo will not come with FFVII:ACC because the 360 version isn't even close to done, so we want to be fair. Although the PS3 version has already been done, and all we need is an hour of voiceover (which by the same interview, they're doing localization at the same time as developing the Japanese version), we aren't going to release it stateside, because again, the 360 version isn't done"

They released TLR when the PS3 version wasn't done......why won't they give us a demo and then later on, the full game BEFORE 360 owners (because it'll certainly be done before then)? Answer: Blame M$

 

No one is denying what was said. I fully agree that the scenario is as you describe it. However, that is Square's choice to make(being "fair" to 360 owners), thus making it their fault for making that choice. Microsoft as far as any of us know is uninvolved in the decision to release or not release this demo in NTSC/PAL regions. Them being uninvolved, and Square having a choice makes it hard to put the blame on MS in the first place and very easy to put the blame on the actual decision makers at Square.

Now you'll then come back and tell me, "but if the 360 wasn't getting a port, then this wouldn't have been a problem". That is very true, however it's also Square's fault for deciding to make it multiplatform in the first place. Square CHOSE to do that. There were no Microsoft guns held to Square executives' heads to force this scenario.

You (and others in this thread) remind me of the politicians and parents that blame videogames for the violent murders that children commit every year. Yeah let's blame the videogames(MS) instead of blaming the nutcase kid(Square Enix) that pulled the trigger/hung somebody/cut someone's head off. It's called scapegoating, and that's what MS is in this case.

 

I'm over that. What I'm asking for at least is the TLR treatment. One version isn't done yet, but the one that is done gets released despite the former. But that's not gonna happen, and the only reason has something to do with Microsoft

 



Carl2291 said:
@ S.T.A.G.E.
NO! MS wanted FF13 for 360, to say they didnt is stupid. I whole heartedly blame MS for this sacriledge of me not getting FF13 any earlier

 

 

Whatever gets you through the day man. SE is a very greedy company who will jump ship from brands when they see a more powerful one. SE knows that the western market is the core market this gen and not the Japanese. With that being said Microsoft has a better installed base in terms of overall purchases and online use. You know this just as well as I do. Don't you pay attention to history? FFVII was moved to Sony because Sony could afford more than Nintendo to market third parties better, while at the same time having a CD format. Don't act like Microsoft did this all themselves, when it was mostly SE.



BMaker11 said:
Onyxmeth said:
BMaker11 said:
Darc Requiem said:
Onyxmeth, stop wasting your time. I've gone back and forth with these Sony fanboys on this subject several times. They are incapable of understanding logic and blame MS no matter what. I've been saying for months that its 6 months on average for FF games to hit the US and about 11 months for them to hit Europe. Kitase confirms this and do they eat crow nope, they still find more BS reasons to blame MS. As you so deftly stated, the demo is in Japanese and would require localization.

To you also, what part of KITSASE'S OWN WORDS don't you understand:

"Because we are going to carry on the project along the 360 version, so we really can't make it available only for the PS3"

That has nothing to do with eating crow, that has nothing to do with "not understanding logic". He said it right there. In a nutshell "An American PS3 demo will not come with FFVII:ACC because the 360 version isn't even close to done, so we want to be fair. Although the PS3 version has already been done, and all we need is an hour of voiceover (which by the same interview, they're doing localization at the same time as developing the Japanese version), we aren't going to release it stateside, because again, the 360 version isn't done"

They released TLR when the PS3 version wasn't done......why won't they give us a demo and then later on, the full game BEFORE 360 owners (because it'll certainly be done before then)? Answer: Blame M$

 

No one is denying what was said. I fully agree that the scenario is as you describe it. However, that is Square's choice to make(being "fair" to 360 owners), thus making it their fault for making that choice. Microsoft as far as any of us know is uninvolved in the decision to release or not release this demo in NTSC/PAL regions. Them being uninvolved, and Square having a choice makes it hard to put the blame on MS in the first place and very easy to put the blame on the actual decision makers at Square.

Now you'll then come back and tell me, "but if the 360 wasn't getting a port, then this wouldn't have been a problem". That is very true, however it's also Square's fault for deciding to make it multiplatform in the first place. Square CHOSE to do that. There were no Microsoft guns held to Square executives' heads to force this scenario.

You (and others in this thread) remind me of the politicians and parents that blame videogames for the violent murders that children commit every year. Yeah let's blame the videogames(MS) instead of blaming the nutcase kid(Square Enix) that pulled the trigger/hung somebody/cut someone's head off. It's called scapegoating, and that's what MS is in this case.

 

I'm over that. What I'm asking for at least is the TLR treatment. One version isn't done yet, but the one that is done gets released despite the former. But that's not gonna happen, and the only reason has something to do with Microsoft

 

Fair enough. There were many others in this thread still griping about it. I thought you would mirror their arguments.

I think you're confusing "having something to do with Microsoft" with "It's Microsoft's fault". Look, if I'm married and I fuck some other broad, yeah it has something to do with my wife, but ultimately who's decision was it to make, and who's fault is it? Mine of course, because I'm the one that did it. My reasonings may have all involved things my wife has done, but it does come down to being my fault for sticking my one-eyed in another chick.

 



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Onyxmeth said:
BMaker11 said:
Onyxmeth said:
BMaker11 said:
Darc Requiem said:
Onyxmeth, stop wasting your time. I've gone back and forth with these Sony fanboys on this subject several times. They are incapable of understanding logic and blame MS no matter what. I've been saying for months that its 6 months on average for FF games to hit the US and about 11 months for them to hit Europe. Kitase confirms this and do they eat crow nope, they still find more BS reasons to blame MS. As you so deftly stated, the demo is in Japanese and would require localization.

To you also, what part of KITSASE'S OWN WORDS don't you understand:

"Because we are going to carry on the project along the 360 version, so we really can't make it available only for the PS3"

That has nothing to do with eating crow, that has nothing to do with "not understanding logic". He said it right there. In a nutshell "An American PS3 demo will not come with FFVII:ACC because the 360 version isn't even close to done, so we want to be fair. Although the PS3 version has already been done, and all we need is an hour of voiceover (which by the same interview, they're doing localization at the same time as developing the Japanese version), we aren't going to release it stateside, because again, the 360 version isn't done"

They released TLR when the PS3 version wasn't done......why won't they give us a demo and then later on, the full game BEFORE 360 owners (because it'll certainly be done before then)? Answer: Blame M$

 

No one is denying what was said. I fully agree that the scenario is as you describe it. However, that is Square's choice to make(being "fair" to 360 owners), thus making it their fault for making that choice. Microsoft as far as any of us know is uninvolved in the decision to release or not release this demo in NTSC/PAL regions. Them being uninvolved, and Square having a choice makes it hard to put the blame on MS in the first place and very easy to put the blame on the actual decision makers at Square.

Now you'll then come back and tell me, "but if the 360 wasn't getting a port, then this wouldn't have been a problem". That is very true, however it's also Square's fault for deciding to make it multiplatform in the first place. Square CHOSE to do that. There were no Microsoft guns held to Square executives' heads to force this scenario.

You (and others in this thread) remind me of the politicians and parents that blame videogames for the violent murders that children commit every year. Yeah let's blame the videogames(MS) instead of blaming the nutcase kid(Square Enix) that pulled the trigger/hung somebody/cut someone's head off. It's called scapegoating, and that's what MS is in this case.

 

I'm over that. What I'm asking for at least is the TLR treatment. One version isn't done yet, but the one that is done gets released despite the former. But that's not gonna happen, and the only reason has something to do with Microsoft

 

Fair enough. There were many others in this thread still griping about it. I thought you would mirror their arguments.

I think you're confusing "having something to do with Microsoft" with "It's Microsoft's fault". Look, if I'm married and I fuck some other broad, yeah it has something to do with my wife, but ultimately who's decision was it to make, and who's fault is it? Mine of course, because I'm the one that did it. My reasonings may have all involved things my wife has done, but it does come down to being my fault for sticking my one-eyed in another chick.

 


Good Analogy.....SE is the whore of the gaming world.

S.T.A.G.E. said:
Jo21 said:
1337 Gamer said:
Its not M$ fault Square enix dosnt make a demo why are you blaming them? Besides its just a demo.

the demo is ready, FOR THE PS3, but they are delaying it until they get 360 version done , and they just started doing that... =(.

@cactus

well they said 6 months after japanese releases...and they are trying to cut that, so Q1-Q2 2010 america, Q3-Q4 europe.-

and yes the demo its 5gb!

A 5 GB demo? Thats bullshit. No Demo should be that large and after Sony's recent conference on Gamespot.com, Gamespot employees played the Japanese demo. Trust me....they can pump out a demo....SE are just bullshitting.

No, he's right. The demo takes up 5.9 GB of space. Just 1 hour of gameplay.



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